Years ago I was driving up Rabbit Ears pass with a State Trooper in a Camero right behind me. As approached the top, the road was covered with a sheet of ice. Cars and trucks were sliding all over the place. My little pickup lost its grip, and started slipping off the side of the road. When I finally regained some control the truck spun a cookie and I ended up pointed back down the pass. I looked over an noticed my wipe out had pushed the Trooper off the side of the road where he ended up stuck in a snow drift. Since couldn't stop--it was too slick-- I just kept on going until I got back to Steamboat. I thought that trooper was going to track me down and send me to a Routt County labor camp, but nothing ever happened.
Why do we have to always go thru the my whatever is better than your whatever? About 10% of all people are idiots regaurdless of were they live. So Mr. Smarmy pants in the PNW I will gladly put our idiots up against your idiots anyday of the week. sj
Rabbit Ears seems to produce good stories from most people I know. I remember once I was driving back from the 'boat and on a pretty flat and straight spot near the top the guy in front of me was suddenly traveling sideways down the middle of the road. He then spun and ended up stuck in the ditch on the other side. It was crazy because you never would have expected it to happen where it did.
One time a couple of years ago, I was driving to the 'boat late at night and crested a hill coming down the backside where the speed limit's 65 (roads were dry, so you could go fast) and all of sudden there were chunks of ice all over the road and a loader sideways in the middle of the road (he was there to push back the snowbanks). Pretty frickin' scary. I managed to skid around him but it was close. I realize that what he was doing needed to be done but it was shitty place to not have anything warning drivers until it was almost too late.
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About 10% of all people are idiots regaurdless of were they live.
Personally, I believe the number is much higher. It's amazing how many stupid people are out there. I think it's more like 40%. I often find that everybody is stupid and I'm the only smart one around (and no, I'm never stupid. C'mon, jeez).
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i think you may have misconstrued my post, sj. such is the way of the forum though.
i started this thread with idiot pnw drivers .. it was ski town guy saying that only non-Coloradoans goon-out in winter weather, & that clearly, everyone in the nw has inappropriate tires for winter driving. i'm just saying that the ice that forms at sea level is way slicker than anything i ever saw in any part of CO, & that regardless of whether you're a super-rad steamboat local or a soccer mom from houston, driving on it is perilous.
as an everyday bike rider, i see the worst driving day in & day out, & generally fear all drivers all the time. but still, drivers in suburbia are by far the worst drivers of all .. & there's a lot of suburbia.
No I got it I was just trying to be light. Yanno don't be thinking you worst drivers are any worse than ours. My wife who has never got in a winter accident in all of her life just scared the crap out of me sunday.
We can make fun of how people drive in the snow all we want but the fact remains it's hard and even if you do it all the time bad things could happen. I know Portland a little and from the one shot were the car is sliding downhill sideways it is clear that nothing was gonna work short of front chains on a heavier 4 x4. Altho the one guy who stayed on the gas is open for cheap shots imo.
I use to manage an outdoor store with a very generous return policy. The staff use to argue over just what percent of the population were actually not nice people. 3 to 10% was always were they argued. thats were that line came from. And i guess Mr. smarmy pants was'nt over the top enough. sj
maybe i should have said people who live in the mountains know better. when it is icy i slow way down, sit back, and watch the suv's with front range and texas plates go flying by. when there is a bad crash on rabbit ears pass, it is usually some tourist from out of state, or from the front range. notice i said usually. local folks crash their cars too, but a lot of the time it is tourists who aren't from here. the semi truck drivers from flat states are about as bad. and yes you can only get the "right" studded tires in certain places. my brother-in-law owns a garage and tire service shop in a southern state. they aren't even allowed to put studded tires on cars there. furthermore, ice is ice, and your ice isn't any slipperier than our ice. sometimes we do get ice here in steamboat. for the most part we just get snow, but sometimes it will rain, sleet, or snow on a warm road and then freeze into ice as the temperature drops in the evening. this is what happened a few weeks ago when i encountered the guy stuck on the hill. i've have slipped and fallen trying to walk on icy pavement so slick you could skate on it. then i get in my car and drive on it. studded snow tires make a world of difference. maybe i should have said obviously those people in the video didn't have the right tires on their cars, and didn't know how to drive on ice. sorry for making a sweeping generalization
maybe i should have said people who live in the mountains know better. when it is icy i slow way down, sit back, and watch the suv's with front range and texas plates go flying by. when there is a bad crash on rabbit ears pass, it is usually some tourist from out of state, or from the front range. notice i said usually. local folks crash their cars too, but a lot of the time it is tourists who aren't from here. the semi truck drivers from flat states are about as bad. and yes you can only get the "right" studded tires in certain places. my brother-in-law owns a garage and tire service shop in a southern state. they aren't even allowed to put studded tires on cars there. furthermore, ice is ice, and your ice isn't any slipperier than our ice. sometimes we do get ice here in steamboat. for the most part we just get snow, but sometimes it will rain, sleet, or snow on a warm road and then freeze into ice as the temperature drops in the evening. this is what happened a few weeks ago when i encountered the guy stuck on the hill. i've have slipped and fallen trying to walk on icy pavement so slick you could skate on it. then i get in my car and drive on it. studded snow tires make a world of difference. maybe i should have said obviously those people in the video didn't have the right tires on their cars, and didn't know how to drive on ice. sorry for making a sweeping generalization
No way,man. Wyoming ice is the slickest!! Fuckin I-80
(and no, I'm never stupid. C'mon, jeez).
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