Originally Posted by glenn
No trolling here...
Bumps are the exception and even then if you aren't keeping your board more or less parallel to your body even in bumps you aren't doing it right. If you want to zipperline/straightline sure put your shoulder and your board parallel to the fall line. If you are making normal turns on a groomer/bowl/pillow line/pipe/approaching a jump etc then you more or less keep your shoulders parallel to the board. This of course has it's exceptions but more often than not you keep in line with your board. If someone is having problems staying on the fall line then maybe appropriate instruction would be to get them to point there shoulders downhill more which will in turn point the board downhill more. That's not the same thing as winding/unwinding the torso through every turn, which is definitely not what you should be doing.
Personally I find no need to extend/flex during normal turns, but can make turns fully compressed and full erect assuming the terrain is flat. I can pump turns for speed by extending or make keep my upper still in bumps by extending in the transitions but again that's the exception.
Sorry I don't have a whole lot constructive to add. Others that I have covered the biggies. Don't let your hands get behind you, keep your knees bent, look where you want to be well before you get there and send it.
In my journey as a rider I've had many "aha" moments where I thought I unlocked the "secret" to riding only to find out it was just key to the next level of riding. I hate to throw blanket advice out there when in all reality it becomes obsolete at the next level.
Sorry I was short and dismissive of your comment but I really do think the technique described is only fully applicable in the minority of cases. I'm sure you're a great rider.
I am a snowboard instructor and have been teaching for 7 years. Level 2 AASI, now doing private coaching.
You are essentially correct especially for basic carving. Where the other poster is correct is in dynamic riding be it dynamic skidded or dynamic carved. In your more basic forms of riding, you do keep the upper body more or less aligned with the board. Actually perpendicular to your front foot so depending on stance angles, a rider may appear to have "open shoulders" especially if rocking a forward stance.
When we start getting into more dynamic riding for extremely steep terrain, narrow terrain, tight trees and moguls, upper and lower body separation becomes more important. When I am dropping a 55 degree chute with less than a few board lengths width, I am using a very dynamic skidded turn technique with a ton of flexion and extension, fore-aft movements and upper lower body separation. In these scenarios, I do keep my front shoulder more or less pointed down the fall line while using my lower body to control my board.
Obviously, I don`t ride blue and black groomers this way and as you point out, tend to ride more ore less aligned with the board. So, in a sense you are both correct, its just a matter of when and where to use certain techniques.
On that note, if anyone has any questions, I am always eager to talk snowboarding and if interested, check out Snowboarding Forum
I am Snowolf there too and we have a very good tips/instructor section. I also work in the Portland area as a private coach and am the head coach for Snow Motion Sports and lead guide for split boarding tours in the Cascades. Next to rafting, snowboarding is my other passion.