Season Passes...

[psu96]

Mirkwood is sweet, well for something close by...the hike isnt bad, get you ass in shape...the season pass deals are pretty sweet. they also put a bid in for Steamboat, doubt they'll get it but that would be awesome to have three days there as well.

[sandbagger]

Originally Posted by gapers

Not sure where your skiing then. I don't ride flyer or eagle. I said i made the mistake of going to the park, ONCE. I stay to the six-man, hell i don't even ride the shuttle buses from the parking lot, i walk over. I've ridden the mountain thru and thru, I've ridden the entire backside, i've ridden the cat, the onion roll, I've followed the boundaries down everyside and in between,i know where all the smoke shacks are, inbounds and out. The mountain aint steep.

guess its all relative though

well, it's fairly steep relative to other shit in the area. Steeper (or more accurately, more accessible steeps) than Vail, WP/MJ, most of Breck (haven't ridden the new lift), Keystone, etc. It's not Highlands Bowl, Jackson or the Butte, but it's pretty good for the front range. Spaulding Bowl, some of the stuff of S, the top of Reso, some of the backside are all decent. Again, not outrageously steep, but to say ABasin is steep but Copper isn't is kind of odd. Acreage wise, Copper has close to or more in-bounds steeps than the Basin, and the Basin only has a couple of runs (Gauthier, hiking east wall) that are legitimately steeper than Copper's lift served stuff.

[Steve Kahn]

i think you guys are missing the point (gapers/sandbagger) - which is this:

there might be slight differences between which mountain is steeper (copper/abasin), and you can get all technical with statistics of average gradient per area, or somthing nifty like that, but the real question you're trying to discuss here is which mountain is better.

i contend that a-basin is a generally steeper, but the snow quality is much much much much poorer. there's just no trees to protect it anywhere. so gapers has it right (IMO) in that the basin is steeper, but SB has it right that copper is the better mountain, not cause it is steeper, but because it has some trees that hold the pow in.

now obviously, this is quite a subjective opinion (beauty/beholder), and there are probably alot of you out there who don't care as much for snow quality, and are more interested in knee bashing down pali...(which i admit is quite fun) - but i would still hold to my opion, and even go out to say that for those that actually ski/ride alot, and conisder themselves experts, that taking away the social atmosphere of the two places, that copper is the superior mountain, mainly because A-basin has no trees.

[gapers]

Ok,whatever you say,man. Copper is steep.

[sandbagger]

Originally Posted by Steve Kahn

so gapers has it right (IMO) in that the basin is steeper, but SB has it right that copper is the better mountain

actually, I wouldn't necessarily contend that Copper is a "better" mountain, nor would I disagree with the idea that ABasin is steeper, it is steeper overall: has a few runs that are steeper than anything at Copper, has a far greater percentage of steeps on the mountain.

Take a look back at gapers first post about Copper and the basin. If all of Copper is intermediate, then there's very very very little in CO that would qualify as steep (and very little at the Basin). Yet somehow the Basin is steep, that's the odd part. As far as non-hiking terrain, a lot of places at Copper match Pali, only Gauthier is clearly steeper than anything at Copper.

[KSC]

I'd go Copper for variety - both in that you've already had passes to A-Basin and that Copper is a bigger mountain with more varied terrain. I've always felt like although A-Basin is great on a good day, but on cold windy days or days with subpar snow conditions, it's hard to find a good niche on that mountain.

[gapers]

Now there's a paradox for you. CO isn't steep---could it be?? Like i said, i guess its all relative to the individual .

While your analyzing my old post read the one i said about A-basin being the closest thing to steeps around.

Your smokin rocks if you think Copper is anything above an Intermediate mountain(advanced intermediate maybe)though. It sure as hell aint an advanced or expert mountain. Ski copper though, i outgrew skiing with tourist,texans and weekend warriors long ago. I'll stick to the BC and earn my powder days. Speaking of powder....Don't you think putting the words powder days,and any Vail/Summit county resorts name, in the same sentence--an oxymoron? Honestly?

Well if i ride a resort i'm hittin up the basin, I dont need a deep deep powder day,(which copper apparently has so much of)to ride trees or stick a landing, as long as i have some badass terrain for fun.

[Steve Kahn]

this discussion reminds me of my favorite low water class III run....numbers.

[gapers]

I like pretzels and cheese.

[sandbagger]

Originally Posted by gapers

Now there's a paradox for you. CO isn't steep---could it be?? Like i said, i guess its all relative to the individual .

While your analyzing my old post read the one i said about A-basin being the closest thing to steeps around.

Your smokin rocks if you think Copper is anything above an Intermediate mountain(advanced intermediate maybe)though. It sure as hell aint an advanced or expert mountain. Ski copper though, i outgrew skiing with tourist,texans and weekend warriors long ago. I'll stick to the BC and earn my powder days. Speaking of powder....Don't you think putting the words powder days,and any Vail/Summit county resorts name, in the same sentence--an oxymoron? Honestly?

Well if i ride a resort i'm hittin up the basin, I dont need a deep deep powder day,(which copper apparently has so much of)to ride trees or stick a landing, as long as i have some badass terrain for fun.

I guess I'm just not core enough for you. I have skied a lot at Jackson, Crested Butte, etc, but those must not be steep if I can ski them snd still enjoy my intermediate mountains. And yeah, there's never any powder days at resorts, and they are completely filled with tourists and texans and weekend warriors (oh my god, self-loathing, I AM a weekend warrior, I really suck! ). All the really cool people are in the backcountry skiing the gnar-gnar, those of us who deign to spend some of our ski time riding slow flat lifts are just living a lie.

Thanks for the humor, and thanks for showing your perspective.