My favorite rationale for removing smoke shacks:
"The structures pose several problems, Nielsen says. He says people tend to congregate around the structures, and then skier-on-skier collisions could occur."
Inspecting ski areas for illegal structures is a routine procedure, Forest Service patrol captain Dan Nielsen told the News. “We’ve worked with the other resorts and found similar structures.”
The structures pose several problems, Nielson explained in the newspaper report. They can create hazards for unsuspecting skiers and often result in tree damage in the immediate vicinity. Damaged trees can lead to a bark beetle infestation, he said.
Get real! How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you try to say that a lean-to in the woods is going to lead to bark beetle infestation! Talk about insulting the public at large!
I was looking for my local one and could not find it. I am sure ours is buried under the 400+ inches of snow we have gotten so far this year.
Personally, I have no problem with people smoking pot if that is their deal. I do think, however, it is retarded to ski while high. You put yourself and others at risk because you are not in complete control of your reflexes.
All that aside, can you really complain about being busted for doing something illegal? Grow up. Quit your bitching. Smoke on your own private property.
I can't even begin to tell you the shitstorm this has caused here at CB....
The problem isnt crested butte, its part of a multi-resort sweep that is being funded federally. of course they arent having as much of a problem as they are here but thats because CB has been so lax with their shack/stoner worries since day 1. CBMR's official position on the huts is to just leave them standing, because they know and are aware that for every one they blow up, we'll just build four more, better hidden.
Like mjpowhound said, they're more after the ones that are RIGHT off the runs. Ones like the double decker, which yeah, its a sweet shack, but it's right off a blue run and I cant tell you how many times ive been rolled up on by little kids in that one..."Oh hey, guys come look, I found a treehouse!!!" Or the penalty box....or the window.....Yeah, those are too close for comfort. It sucks, I've had three close friends get busted by that and heard of several more who have too.
Its not all bad though, the more remote the shack is, the less chance you have to get roused. Ones located in the extremes or in advanced areas are still safe to go to, as the "feds" are usually no better than blue skiers. So the ones that take lots of maneuvering and navigation to find like the bakery and the forest caves are still golden!
as for Mr Spiegel's comments I would say....I tend to ski better when I am high. I focus more, Im more aware of the consequences than when Im not. As a result I usually will slow down a little bit and enjoy the mountain more. I would also say that at any given time (at least at cb) probably 90% of the "Local" riders there that day are high. Skiing and smoking weed just go hand in hand too well for people to make a point of it now.
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Hey David - I think you're a total douche bag. Not in complete control of my reflexes? Is that a necessary prerequisite to go skiing? You sound like you hang out with icantride on school marm. Is that what the ski instructor told you last week in your advanced beginner class? Did you graduate to the blue squares? Oops, you were probably getting worn out, and thus not in complete control of your reflexes, and called it a day around noon.
As for "complaining about getting busted for doing something illegal," that's not the issue that was raised by the post or the article. This is expending time, money and effort on something that has no negative impact, and then supported by disingenuous logic. It has been acknowledged that for every shack taken down, that several more will go up, so the "tree beetle" argument fails. The other rationale, that it creates a hazard because people "congregate around them," doesn't work, either. Presumably, those people GOING TO a smoke shack are NOT YET HIGH, which would mean that it is more dangerous to ski sober. (Probably true in my case, because I'm pissed off that I don't have doobage). And if "people congregating" is a hazard, well then we should remove all lodges, lift lines and parking lots, because those places are just accidents waiting to happen.
I don't like being called a retard, you ass munch. And probably neither do the other 90% of the people on the mountain who are having a better time than you. To pull the "it's illegal, so don't bitch" argument in relation to antiquated laws that create far more social costs than benefits, and are based solely on a sense of morality that a vast segment of society doesn't share, is dense and paternalistic.
And as for smoking and skiing being dangerous, stay on the greens. I will be too and that way we won't run into each other. Lame dick.
Hey David - I think you're a total douche bag. Not in complete control of my reflexes? Is that a necessary prerequisite to go skiing? You sound like you hang out with icantride on school marm. Is that what the ski instructor told you last week in your advanced beginner class? Did you graduate to the blue squares? Oops, you were probably getting worn out, and thus not in complete control of your reflexes, and called it a day around noon.
As for "complaining about getting busted for doing something illegal," that's not the issue that was raised by the post or the article. This is expending time, money and effort on something that has no negative impact, and then supported by disingenuous logic. It has been acknowledged that for every shack taken down, that several more will go up, so the "tree beetle" argument fails. The other rationale, that it creates a hazard because people "congregate around them," doesn't work, either. Presumably, those people GOING TO a smoke shack are NOT YET HIGH, which would mean that it is more dangerous to ski sober. (Probably true in my case, because I'm pissed off that I don't have doobage). And if "people congregating" is a hazard, well then we should remove all lodges, lift lines and parking lots, because those places are just accidents waiting to happen.
I don't like being called a retard, you ass munch. And probably neither do the other 90% of the people on the mountain who are having a better time than you. To pull the "it's illegal, so don't bitch" argument in relation to antiquated laws that create far more social costs than benefits, and are based solely on a sense of morality that a vast segment of society doesn't share, is dense and paternalistic.
And as for smoking and skiing being dangerous, stay on the greens. I will be too and that way we won't run into each other. Lame dick.
Maybe you should smoke more while at your computer desk in order to control your enlightening temper? First of all I know my skiing ability better than you do. Second, even if I skied greens/blues, it would not have any affect on the discussion smoking on the mountain.
I think it is entertaining that you truly believe you have the same amount of control and safety while skiing high... While I don't even think smoking pot should a crime in general, I fully support you getting busted for skiing high.
I don't care what you say, it is ILLEGAL. Even if it shouldn't be, it is.
I don't really believe your argument here. I really doubt that the real issue here is tax dollars. Just admit it, you want to smoke green and are too immature to face the consequences of your actions.
As to your comments about how much fun I have on the mountain, apparently I have enough fun that I don't need to smoke in order to have a good time. If skiing isn't fun enough without the smoking, why not just stay home and smoke? That way, no issue.
Hey, lighten up on David. He is from the springs and we all know that being a right wing wacko comes with living where Focus on someone else’s Family is located. The springs is all about telling the rest of the world how to behave, you know, do as I say, not as I do, ala Ted Haggard method.
Hey David - remember when it was illegal for black people to go to white restaurants and schools? Remember when it was illegal for women to vote? Do you make the same argument there? Just go along with the laws, David. I engage in my duty of civic disobedience daily. It's people like you that allow irrational, oppressive laws that create more harm than the conduct they punish to remain in effect, and allows the government to impinge on our freedoms based solely on a "moral" justification. It is clear that you share those morals, but that does not justify making my conduct illegal. Blind faith in your government and their laws is a dangerous thing, David. It leads to oppressive regimes and unfettered power. Was the war in Iraq a good idea, David? Your president told you it was. You are a sheep, David, a mindless sheep.
and that way we won't run into each other. Lame dick.
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