"Funny to think that they are bustin pot smokers on the hill while....
Some group of spring breakers will be 5 deep on the old jack and coke."
I wrote an article about this a while back. Drunks are promoted by ski areas and therefore the forest service. ( as they allow for it). You can buy enough alcohol on the mountain to get shit housed as you want. And its mostly the tourists that drink, not the better than average every day skiier. David Spiegel you are LAME. The fact that Cuzin smokes pot doesn't make him cooler than anyone else, but I bet he's a hell of a lot more fun to ski, ride or boat with than David Spiegel. StraightfromAvl what planet are you from?? Insulting to everbody? Doubt it. Is the Buzz really this lame now? Got to run, going to play checkers with the rest of the school girls.
"I don't really believe your argument here. I really doubt that the real issue here is tax dollars. Just admit it, you want to smoke green and are too immature to face the consequences of your actions. "
It actually is about the tax dollars. Here in the Butte we are told of budget woes by the Forest Service that inhibit their ability to do summer single track trail maintenance and enforce off trail closures that ATV and dirt bike users violate which causes trail/resource damage. The Forest Service then informs us that they can't afford to patrol the forest to catch people doing the resource damage or can they afford to repair the damage. Using the funds to look for shacks on a ski hill which is already built on by the ski area and has clear cut swaths for ski runs is a waste of funds that could be used for trail maintenance.
"I don't really believe your argument here. I really doubt that the real issue here is tax dollars. Just admit it, you want to smoke green and are too immature to face the consequences of your actions. "
It actually is about the tax dollars. Here in the Butte we are told of budget woes by the Forest Service that inhibit their ability to do summer single track trail maintenance and enforce off trail closures that ATV and dirt bike users violate which causes trail/resource damage. The Forest Service then informs us that they can't afford to patrol the forest to catch people doing the resource damage or can they afford to repair the damage. Using the funds to look for shacks on a ski hill which is already built on by the ski area and has clear cut swaths for ski runs is a waste of funds that could be used for trail maintenance.
I agree that it is a total waste of tax dollars. Shacks are cool and give an area character. I really don't see how they are dangerous unless of course they collapse on someone, but that's the chance you take isn't it. If someone gets busted smokin weed by patrol that is one thing, but the Feds just seems a little much. Whatever happened to the bong-gola?
I think the topic is the all-to-common statement: "I ________ better when I'm high."
You can fill in the blank with the word ski, kayak, raft, tele, board, etc.
My question is: Other than the pothead who speaks this silly phrase, does anybody believe it? Does anybody (in there right mind) believe that a person is better at anything after smoking the kinder?
Smoking pot seems to do little harm to the individual if done in small amounts. Some studies have said that smoking a joint it is something like the equivalent of smoking three cigarettes. Also the lack of a filter, and the higher concentration of tar in pot, makes it more damaging on an ounce per ounce basis compared to tobacco smoked in cigarettes. But since few people have a daily habit their cumulative effects of smoking a few times a month are probably quite small. This means that the downstream impacts on the health care system and ultimately on insurance rates should be small except for heavy pot smokers. The heavy users will probably have a similar societal cost to heavy smokers.
While some contend that smoking marijuana helps calm down their nerves, and for some it does, for most it also causes slower reaction times which may have an adverse effect on paddling, skiing and driving. There are numerous studies that support this assertion. However, just like alcohol, the amount used is important in the equation. Most people would probably say that one beer at lunch isn't a big deal for skiing, but 5 is clearly an impairment and endangerment issue. The same goes for pot, smoke a lot and you are going to have some level of impaired reaction times and a decrease in balance.
A final issue to consider is this: Supply Chain. If you grow your own pot you know how it came to be and are it is mostly free of moral issues (the method in which you get the seeds would be the remaining question). However if you buy from someone else you have to ask yourself what the social and societal costs of that pot reaching you are. I have two friends in college that ran a grow shop out of their house in Boulder. Rival drug dealers showed up at their house and shot them. Check the Daily Camera archives for the summer of 97 or 98. They both lived, one recovered fully, the other was shot in the knee and will always have some issues with his knee. Locally grown and locally shot - before then I never though that pot dealers would be so violent. There was a bullet hole on the wall next to one of my friends heads, i don't know if the shooter accidentally missed or if it was an intentional miss.
They had a modest operation, and this was in what is normally a very safe and low crime city - Boulder, CO. People are killed over pot growing, dealing and distribution in the US.
Pot growing in other places, like central and south America, is also controlled by drug dealers that kill people to protect their operations. Some dealers may be good moral people that want to do nothing illegal but grown and sell pot. Other drug dealers are bad people that also traffic other drugs and commit other serious crimes in connection with their marijuana business.
But what happens when the bad dealers/growers press the good dealers with threats of harm and killings? How does the moral drug grower stay in business? They can't go to the cops to report that a rival drug dealer killed some of their workers. So they have limited options: somehow stay unknown forever, get forced out of business, bribe local officials, respond with force and violence, or pay off their rivals putting more money in the bad dealers pockets.
Knowing that people may have died for the pot you are smoking would be a real buzz kill.
Good point on the supply chain issue. Most people never think about it, but the externalities of the drug business, even for the kind, are pretty eye-opening. I've done my fair share of illegal substances in my younger days and the main reason that I don't do them anymore is that I was bothered by the injustice, violence and suffering caused by the illegal drug trade (that I and ski worse when I'm high). In addition to what Raftus said, most of you are probably unaware that a significant amount of the grass bought and smoked in the States and Canada is grown on public lands, usually Forest Service, in Oregon and California, and that these growers, primarily Mexican cartel members, have been responsible for several murders and assaults on hikers, boaters, riders and rangers, have started not a few significant forest fires, poisoned streams with toxic chemicals and garbage and made a general mess of the pristine areas that they operate in. Put that in you pipe and smoke it!
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