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Old 07-19-2006   #11
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Greg, only 83 to go eh?

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Old 07-19-2006   #12
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dan, that was funny. Needed a laugh...

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Old 07-19-2006   #13
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His avatar is just a few blocks from my house in Seattle. It's a Troll sculpture under a neighborhood bridge that's crushing a VW Bug. It's pretty well known around these parts.
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Old 07-19-2006   #14
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Dan, do we know each other? I was just saying the other day that I wondered what was going to happen when i rolled over 1k. Yep thats over 900+ stupid posts and maybe 30 helpful, intelligent ones.


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Old 07-19-2006   #15
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Greg, I don't believe we do know each other...I guess we better grab a few sixers 'a tall boys 'n head to the river. I'll be in the South Platte Canyon area tonight, PM if you want to join!
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Old 07-19-2006   #16
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CR 125

The CR 125 loops, with a beachball under your skirt. The Fun series will do the same thing. I like the weight and the dry hull of the Fun series. I like the higher edges, roomy foot space, and kick rocker of the CR. It makes for a awesome river runner. The Fun throws down easier than the CR in the flats, but it has less volume at the tips- so thats a given.

For both boats falling into the river runner play catagory. The arrow points to more vertical in the Fun, more river runner boofer for the CR. But, both boat will play. They may play different at different weights through, so you show demo them and find out for yourself.
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Old 07-19-2006   #17
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I think I'll pass on being suckered into a juvenile argument. My comments are based on my personal experience in the boats.
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Old 07-19-2006   #18
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I dont want to argue with you. I just want to raise my post count. It was a simple question. I will try to explain one last time and I will use small words so you will understand. You say that people can loop a fun, I believe that people who have the setup dialed can just about loop anything with the right feature. Jeez dont turn it into something its not. I believe if you are learning how to loop that it is much easier to learn in a boat designed to loop. Hence the two boat theory. I am not sure why you two are getting your panties in a wad over this.

Thanks Don for adding something useful to this post. I sure as hell didnt.

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Old 07-20-2006   #19
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Nobody's talked about the loopability of 4Twenty. I love the boat for general play and running class IV, but I can't get it to loop. That doesn't mean much, since I haven't spent very much time in a proper hole, and I'm a poor playboater. Have any of you amateur boaters had any success?

By the way, last year I demoed a 4Fun and an EZG60 at the Salida playhole. I came pretty close to looping both in the hour or so I spent in them. I'd say they're definitely loop-worthy boats (the EZG more so for my 190 lbs), and I'm no expert.
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Old 07-20-2006   #20
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The Dagger Kingpin should fit the characteristics you seek in a boat -- short playboat with high volume concentrated around the cockpit for looping, and yet it's widely regarded as one of the best playboats for river running. Stable and forgiving, surprisingly so
I like my playful, maneuverable Kingpin 6.3 (I'm 5'11"/175) so much for river running that I'm selling my Diesel 65 that I started out with last year, since I don't creek and rarely go out in truly big water. For river running capability (and also loops? I have no experience there), I'd lean toward a slightly big Kingpin as opposed to a smallish one, as there's 3 sizes.
Also: You could get a Kingpin for cheaper/used (avoid the Icon version) and think of what you could use the extra $200-500 for!

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