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Old 09-28-2011   #21
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as far as hull differences, the rocker for the Stomper (mine is shipping to me in a week) it a little bit less in the bow and stern than the Jefe and it's continuous (similar to the remix but even more so). This makes it fast but also allows it to keep it's speed on drops and punching holes, while also allowing us to turn it on command. The edges are sharper than the remix but not as sharp as those creekers with hard chines and they are chamfered to get them out of the way. The deck is similar to the Jefe but the knee height is a bit shorter, this makes it feel snappier on the roll; the Jefe (grande) always felt sluggish while rolling.

I am so excited about the Stomper, I have been wanting someone to make a progressive rockered, mostly-planning hull with fabulous outfitting for a while. This is the main reason I paddled a Big Gun and the a Critical mass, the hull is perfect for me. With both of these boats there were some weird aspects to the volume distribution and sidewalls that made them really hard to paddle at times (Big Gun more than CM). The outfitting in these boats was also lacking in certain aspects. The Solo series has a similar hull regarding edges but the kicked the rocker up at the bow and stern, this makes the boat feel like a pig. The outfitting is pretty good though The Magnum had a similar hull although not as flat as I would have liked even though it paddled well. I also found that I was wanting a bit more volume in the Magnum (that could just be me though).

LL has the volume distribution, outfitting and deck configuration down and now they've incorporated some of my favorite aspects of hull design. I also think it's cool that they now have 3 different types of creekers. Some companies trash some of the other types of designs in favor of their "creeker of the year" only to tweak it the next year. You can now have Bad Ass outfitting in a round-hulled creeker (jefe series), a longer, middle-school creeker/river runner (remix) or, in a progressive-rockered, flat-hull with chamfered edges (Stomper). I like that business strategy

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Old 09-28-2011   #22
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I love the boats plain and simple! bad ass outfitting really helps make the best of trips its like sitting in a lazy boyoing down awsome stretchs of water

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Old 10-21-2011   #23
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Since we are bumping threads today. Just demo'd a stomper with a friend and I think we are both going to buy them this spring. I'm in a Jefe he a Nomad. My priorities were more speed, more accuracy holding an edge and ferrying, and not too catchy i.e. not the Burn. It satisfied all this. Check one out from CKS while Pine Creek is still going.
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Old 10-21-2011   #24
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I've been paddling mine for about a month now- having paddled the Burn, Nomad, Jefe, Diesel 80, and Habitat at one point or another- I can say that the Stomper 80 paddles like no other boat out there. It feels almost slippery when going thru rapids, and it follows the contours of the water really nice. Its fast, and its really agile. It took a couple of runs with adjusting the seat to get it dialed in, like any other boat, but once I did, I'm really happy with it. I will say that if you are looking for a perfect blend of plaining hull and displacement hull, this is it. It is not as sporty as say the Burn, but it is worth it, not having the grabby tail in boily eddies and such. It also stays on the surface really well when going thru waves and skipping over holes- boofs like a dream! Just my $.02. Cheers
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Old 10-21-2011   #25
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Any comparisons out there to the Mystic?
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Old 10-21-2011   #26
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Check out the comments on this review:
CKS Reviews The Liquid Logic Stomper 80 and 90
Some Stomper vs. Mystic debate...sort of interesting.

I Paddled low water Numbers in the Burn and Stomper. Swapped out boats just below #5. Was pretty fun to paddle both. Makes u realize how much of an edge the Burn really does have. The Stomper just goes on boof o matic auto pilot. Such a fun boat. If you are in the valley, I highly recommend demoing one. Supposed to be warm all weekend.
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Old 10-21-2011   #27
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also don't forget CKS closes their storefront for the season Nov 1, and is already closed Sunday and Mondays
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Old 11-04-2011   #28
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I've paddled mine a few times....

Some easy Class 4+ with some 10-12 foot waterfalls.... and in the pool dialing in the fit and getting a feel for the boat stability.

It's a sweet boat, the last 3 boats I have owned are the Dragorossi Critical Mass, Habitat 80 and JK Mega Rocker. The Stomper 90 is a better overall boat than all three.

Ridiculously easy to roll like the Habitat but MUCH more primary stability. Has the same hull feel as the CM but overall much friendlier and easier to move around. I really didn't like the Mega so the Stomper kicks the crap out of this boat.

All-in-all, the Stomper 90 is a sweet creeker with what I would consider the perfect combo of volume distribution, primary and secondary stability, comfy outfitting and a hull that is probably the best hull design for me and the places I paddle.

The only negative right now..... the bump behind the cockpit beats the crap out of my shoulder on backdeck rolls

This happens is most modern creekers with me though and after a 3 year hiatus from paddling I can hit my back deck rolls and almost 100% of my hand rolls in the Stomper, something that I couldn't do even when paddling fairly regularly in the CM or Megarocker.
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Old 11-04-2011   #29
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How does the volume feel comparing the Habitat 80 and Stomper 90? My experience with the Jefe is that 1 Jefe gallon is smaller than 1 Habitat gallon.
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Old 11-04-2011   #30
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How does the volume feel comparing the Habitat 80 and Stomper 90? My experience with the Jefe is that 1 Jefe gallon is smaller than 1 Habitat gallon.
I would say it's bigger than the Habitat (which is very good for me) but not as big as the CM or Megarocker. It feels about as big as the Jefe Grande but WAY more nimble while turning and rolling (which is why I did not buy the Grande). Definitely bigger than the Habitat and floats bigger too but it has more stability and resurfaces in a more controlled and forward-motion manner. I felt the Habitat resurfaced OK but it never felt like the forward momentum was maintained, definitely not the way it does with the CM and Stomper 90.

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