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Old 06-12-2011   #11
Jackson, Wyoming
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Interesting timing

I demoed an XP10 yesterday and an XP9 today on the Snake River below Jackson Lake Dam -- non-whitewater section. I am not a whitewater boater (well, class IIIduckie!). I found the 10 fairly difficult to control w/o the skeg down. However, with skeg down it was easy. The XP9 I rented did not have it's skeg attached, so after my experience with the 10, I was a bit worried about the 9 being too turny -- interestingly, it was fine! My hunch is that, being at the low weight end for the XP10 at 180 lbs. (and with no gear to speak of), the 10 was higher in the water than the XP9. I actually really enjoyed the XP9 w/o skeg -- keeping it under control but spinning at will -- it was a blast (I usually use my Manitou 14 in this section). I did have to take off my water shoes though to fit the 9. Oh yeah, both XPs were very stable -- did not seem any less stable than my Manitou. But it sounds like you already have a 10 ft. boat, so I don't know if these boats are short enough for you! One real benefit of the XP is that it is also a for real WW boat should river trips involve flat and WW sections; also the length/volume allows some storage space for self-support camping -- again that feature may not be what the OP is looking for.

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Old 06-13-2011   #12
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As a proud owner of an xp9 that lives in Kansas I would highly recommend this boat. It does great on flatwater and handles whitewater as well.

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Old 06-13-2011   #13
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Originally Posted by okieboater
check out a liquid logic XP10 or XP9 maybe a tad long based on your post but

has a rudder for flat water and handles WW extremely well.

might give you the best of both worlds.
Not a rudder a skeg. A skeg has a fixed direction without side to side movement. A rudder can be used to steer a boat a skeg can't.
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Old 06-13-2011   #14
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The salesman was giving you good advice. A six or seven foot boat would not be enjoyable for what you are talking about. The don't just turn from time to time, they turn immediately as you stop paddling in flatwater.
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Old 06-13-2011   #15
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Whitewater boats are VERY turny as described. Your 10 foot boat is in the "recreration kayak" category and like others in that category isn't so turny (not designed for WW). It is already at the shorter end of that category. Out of curiosity, I went to the REI site and looked for the shortest boat in their recreation category -- the Emotion Comet at 8' 8" is just a bit shorter than your 10 footer. I know nothing about that boat (nothing much about that category really), but thought you might want to know the short end of that category in case you were not aware.
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Old 06-13-2011   #16
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yip i knew the emotions and kl s are out there at 8 foot, but if that is the best i can do, i'll probably keep the 10 have to see what happens, thanks for the input.
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Old 06-15-2011   #17
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Here's an inflatable under 8' that they call recreational (not WW).
Inflatable Kayaks | Kayaks made for recreational, high performance, sit-on-top self bailing and multi-use.
(It's even fun for me to shop for other people!)

Ooops -- it's only 2" under 8' -- but it's only 16 lbs. regarding ease of lugging around!

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