Thank you for clarifying that we are an industry follower instead of a leader. Even though MANY have copied our designs and we are one of, if not the oldest, whitewater frame manufacturer in the world starting in Monroe, Oregon by Ron Matson in 1972 under the first name Whitewater Product before he moved to Springfield,Or and changed the name to Cascade Manufacturing/Cascade Frames and then finally after his death the name settled at RecreTec.
For many years people have copied and followed our frames and copied our designs. We have always been an industry leader and innovative in many different product areas.
I truly am sorry that whoever your dealer or salesperson was when you purchased your budget frame did not fully inform you of all the options that we have always offered. I also am sorry that I do not have the time to build a better website than I already have since we are so busy building quality frames with MANY options and custom features and continuing to make people happy. Im also sorry you feel MY tunnel cat is poor quality even though its engineered design by me was put through rigorous testing not only on rivers but through finite linear stress analysis by two mechanical engineers on a program designed for the space industry.
I would also say that I have not seen all of the frames you mentioned but have seen Madcatyr and he builds a fine frame. My hat is off to him and his craftsmanship. I would however put my craftsmanship and welding up with his head to head and say we BOTH do a fantastic job and far better than any others Ive seen!
All in all its just like Toyota and Nissan. They offer from Sentra to Infinities and Corollas to Lexus.
If you buy a Sentra, your not going to like it as much as any model of Infinity but they both came from the same manufacturer. All I was trying to point out was that even though you get what you pay for...the quality was still good, safe and useable. It was not junk nor cheap, it was inexpensive.
I did not mean to upset you or "call you out", but you made it sound like we build junk and I think it should be ok. to defend our good name. You see I have five kids that depend on my business and their Dad to succeed and I will defend what I believe in to the end.
RecreTec Mfg. Inc.
"World Leader in Whitewater Products"
Originally Posted by jmcdannel
well, recretec, since you called me out on my less-than-comprehensive comment, allow me to clarify.
it was "cheap" in price. I paid under $450 for a heavy steel frame with a poor design that neither performed well as a gear hauler nor as a performance frame. I bought the frame on a budget.
it wasn't cheap in quality in the regard that the welds and materials were above or at average.
However, I think the design, especially when weighed against the comparable cost of a PRE frame, was where the frame's value dramatically dropped. So - maybe "cheap" isn't the best descriptor. "Inferior," "useless," "heavy," or "scary," might be other descriptors one may choose.
I question your claim that you offer "more options than ANY other." I was able to get anything I wanted from PRE and other custom builders - options I've never seen on a recretec frame. If you have those options, you've failed to advertise them.
So, let me clarify - recretec designs are industry followers, not leaders. And they aren't even good at that (see the half-assed tunnel frame). Their prices can be competitive, but their value cannot. The tunnel frame is no where near the quality in workmanshhip or design you can get from madcatr, PRE or some of the other custom builder out there.
I have run the Middle Fork Salmon under 2' about 7-9 times - I'd have to check my log. I've been on many trips from mid-september to late october. I don't consider that trip to be particularly tough on frames. I've had my recretec and a custom PRE-based aluminum frame down there. Other than the added difficulty of transporting the recretec frame due to weight and lack of folding oar towers, the on-river performance differences were weight, and difficulty of securing gear to a frame without the very convenient full-length scout bars on my current frame(s). Clearance on either frame never played a role on that river. But i've snagged my recretec bars on other river obstacles. I've had close calls with my PRE that could have ended in disaster if I had been dragging that recretec frame.
I sold my recretec with a used set of AIRE Ocelot tubes. I basically priced the boat as used tubes, because I could not in good conscience, charge anybody for that frame.
FWIW - I have no first hand experience with aluminum recretec products.