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Old 09-13-2006   #1
pnw, Washington
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Pyranha 420 vs. Kingpin

I use my kingpin for easy downriver runs and park/play but the leaking thing is really getting old. I like the Pyranha outfitting and my Burn is very dry so I was thinking of trading in the Kingpin for the Pyranha. Problem is that I like the way the Kingpin paddles. Is the 420 anything like the kingpin? Their specs are very similar.


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Old 09-13-2006   #2
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I have paddled both extensively and really like both models. I think the 420 is a little better downriver and much better on a wave. That being said I think the kingpin is hands down the best hole boat ever made. My one complaint with the kingpin is it is a little unbalanced so I have a tendency to flush out of holes on the stern. The 420 is amazingly balanced and its stern is my favorite so far. I would like a little more volume in the bow of the 420 but it is very comfortable. All in all both boats are very good designs but the 420 is a slightly more rounded design and the kingpin a bit more specific.

My 2 cents

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Old 09-14-2006   #3
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Dagger is addressing the leaking cockpit and their 07 boats will have a new design which is supposed to be much drier. I don't know if they are tweaking the molds for the kingpin to include the new cockpit ideas.

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Old 09-15-2006   #4
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From what I have gleaned from Hobie posts....all new daggers will have the new cockpit rim. I made the assumption that this didnt include the kingpin. I would also like to get a little more leg room in the swap as well.
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Old 09-15-2006   #5
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they're not making the kingpin anymore right? just the agent I think...
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Old 09-15-2006   #6
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I thought the agent replaced the crazy 88

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