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Old 06-06-2006   #11
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Great feedback! Thanks to everyone for their .02

I agree, it's not too big a deal but a nicety. I do need to grow some muscles but I'd also like to give my wife and daughter a little help when they are at the wheel. It is an NRS frame so I can see the point about the oar locks width. I went with the 10' oars since that came with the package but the more I use them I do think 9'ers might be a better fit for my rig. I went ahead and got the Cataract counter balances to give them a try and although I haven't had them on the water yet, when I fit them up the proper balance point still seems a bit off so that's why I can now see how the 9'ers might be better in the long run. We'll see how it goes. This is more of a fishing rig than hardcore whitewater craft so I'm not too concerned about losing an oar overboard. Just want to make all that backrowing for perfect drifts a bit easier

Thanks again for all the help!
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Old 06-17-2006   #12
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9 footers would be better for you, for sure from your descriptions. I don't think I will ever run weights again after trying them out. Seems like you are just moving more weight around even if the counter balance holds them in front of you better. My two cents.

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Great feedback! Thanks to everyone for their .02

I agree, it's not too big a deal but a nicety. I do need to grow some muscles but I'd also like to give my wife and daughter a little help when they are at the wheel. It is an NRS frame so I can see the point about the oar locks width. I went with the 10' oars since that came with the package but the more I use them I do think 9'ers might be a better fit for my rig. I went ahead and got the Cataract counter balances to give them a try and although I haven't had them on the water yet, when I fit them up the proper balance point still seems a bit off so that's why I can now see how the 9'ers might be better in the long run. We'll see how it goes. This is more of a fishing rig than hardcore whitewater craft so I'm not too concerned about losing an oar overboard. Just want to make all that backrowing for perfect drifts a bit easier

Thanks again for all the help!
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Old 06-18-2006   #13
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Don't listen to the people talking about a "better workout" etc. I've used both, and like the couterweights.


it's rower's preference,dude. neither is all right or all wrong. i don't use them because ,like previously mentioned, don't want to get the oars ripped out of my hands and clock a passenger or myself with 5 lbs of metal added on. Also, rowing without them doesn't bother me abit. And i don't tether due to the entanglement hazards it creates.
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Old 06-19-2006   #14
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never thought much into getting tangled up in my oar tethers. seems a reasonable worry though. without this in mind i have always used a 2 ' cam on the oar and a loop cam on the frame. this holds the oar on the raft very securly but allows for immediate release if someone is tangled or if the pinned oar is causing problems. though you would have to have your head together to think, "pop the cam" if you were twisted up in it. i will make sure to educate passengers of this danger from now on. thanks for pointing it out. i am all about minimizing tangle and bang factor on the row boat but hate to watch oars float away.
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Old 06-21-2006   #15
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I heard an amusing story recently about a commercial guide with oar tethers and a customer in the water wtih one wrapped around her neck. I don't remember who the guide was, etc. But basically he pulled his knife and told the custy to "trust him for a second", brandishing the knife, grabbed her head, pushed it under water for whatever reason to get the right angle to cut the tether. Needless to say, it was probably a negative experience for the customer.
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Old 06-21-2006   #16
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My .02 I use counter weights and light tethers. As has been said, use whatever turns your crank. Although I've never lost an oar, floating is a problem. I had one pop out of an oar lock, but was able to retreive it before it sank. I use wood bladed Sawyers and they float a bit. I've also added Cobra oar locks which seem to hold the oars better or I'm just getting better at keeping the oar out of harms way.
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Old 06-21-2006   #17
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Great story about a friend. I think it was at the beginning of Lodore, but I'm not sure.

A group put on, wasn't paying attention, and flipped on the only rock in the first couple of miles of flatwater.

My buddy (Jim) launches, puts his wife on the oars, and sets up a camp chair on top of the cooler. He has his drink in hand and is messing around with a new camera as they approach the aforementioned rock. The wife (only her 2nd time at the oars, ever) starts yelling at him to look, she thinks there's a raft flipped up ahead. He says, "Naw, that's impossible. It's only flatwater" and continues to mess with the camera. As they come closer, she realizes that it certainly is a flipped raft and goes to pull into the eddy behind the rock and help pick up the pieces.

She bumps up against the rock, the chair teeters and flies overboard with Jim, drink, and camera. The camera strap miraculously wraps around the oar and Jim's wrist gets tangled in the oar tether. Unfortunately bumping the rock knocked them away from the eddy and she now has to really push to make it in. Each time she dips the oar in, it dunks Jim back underwater and each time she pulls up, it pulls him out of the water and smacks his face on the wrapped camera. After many strokes, dunks, whacks, and river drowned shouts, they make the eddy and recover, but don't speak till the next day (don't worry, they now love telling the story). In the end: the flipped group got a good laugh and recovered their stuff, the chair was lost, the camera never got wet but was broken by the numerous impacts with Jim's head, and most importantly, the drink was saved. Needless to say, they learned their lesson: they now always tether the chair to the raft with a single cam strap so they don't lose it.

I know the connection to the oar tether was a little weak but it's a great story, nonetheless.

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Old 06-21-2006   #18
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DON"T FLIP !! Problem solved. Actually i had a nice dump truck a few years back in Cat and one swimmer got her leg caught between the spare oar on the side and the rubber up-side down crazy scary but it worked out and she married me. A clean rig is a happy rig. i like the weight
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