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Old 12-15-2009   #11
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What is concerning about the width? According to the specs width is 26.3" which is right in line with jefes and nomads and seems par for the course for a creeker.

The pics do make it seem wider at the front of the boat so that its not as symmetrical as most boats. Not sure if that is an issue or not.

Either way, I'm looking forward to a test drive.

Also, wildwasser quoted $1299 for the boat. More than US based manufacturers, but worth it if the durability is as expected, and performance is good. The dollar to euro conversion is pushing the US price up.

As for the pillar, my thought is that if you wanted one up there, pull one out of a destroyed old boat, add or shave foam to get it to fit in snug top to bottom, and cut or add foam to get the length right, and smush it in there. Maybe glue on some smaller foam on the sides to hold it in. You can definitely figure something out to get it in there solid. If you are really worried about it, talk to the wildwasser guys and see what ideas they might have.

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Old 12-15-2009   #12
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Old school

I've been paddling the same Eskimo Topo since '95. (Eskimo design, blow molded and same plastic used at that time, by Prijon). Odometer in it doesn't work, but it has seen hundreds of miles- primarily on Clear Creek starting each season at 150 cfs.

I'll keep boating it until it breaks. Topo's rule.

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Old 12-16-2009   #13
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The width may be fine, hard to tell by one measurement. First I noticed that the width is 2 cm more than the Hercules, which seems to me too wide. Perhaps the measurement for the Herc isn't correct. The pure matches the Nomad 8.5 in width, so perhaps it's right on.
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Old 03-27-2010   #14
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I agree, Landis is great to work with. I just ordered a few boats for Alaska and decided against getting a Pure cuz don't have the $$ now, but you got me psyched to put it on my wish list. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2010   #15
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Ian, it looks sick. Prijon has some pics of it. Good rocker and volume.


Originally Posted by deepsouthpaddler View Post
I'm excited to see the new prijon creeker. The specs prijon posted are about 8.5 ft long, and 78 gallons volume, about the same specs as a big nomad. The shape looks like it could be a decent creeker. Sounds like the boat will be in production for 2010, and wildwasser in Boulder said they are ordering some this year. No word exactly when they will arrive, but likely before the runoff starts.

After breaking nomads and jefes like they were made out of balsa wood, I always wished for a good modern creeker design with prijon plastic. We will see how this boat design stands up. Can't wait to demo one. The salto is too small for me, and I didn't like the hercules. Maybe they got it right with this one...

Google translates and give some pretty funny reviews...

A short Ziehschlag, the boat goes and turns wherever I want and in any situation! This excellent Auftauchverhalten makes the Pure always remain at the surface, he shoots over rollers and re-runs away-we always have full control because you can keep the speed is always important for the whitewater. The impact is also felt while driving on stage, as plunging the case of energy, thanks to the Rockers, is converted into forward-man submersible with the boat almost no longer a. Standard is a car-Boof has been installed, which allows anyone at any time the boat lift on the top to return.

I want a standard is a car boof installed!

Pics and translation on the link below

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Old 03-28-2010   #16
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PURE Creekers at Confluence Kayaks

Hey We just got the PURE's in yesterday.
Special Saturday delivery direct from Prijon/ Wildwasser.

We have one demo and One retail currently.
they do look sweet, and extremely stout.

Come check them out!

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Old 03-28-2010   #17
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For those of you, who are not satisfied with Google's translation of Prijon's Web:

The PURE, developed by the whitewater team lead by Toni Prijon and Bernhard Mauracher, combines modern design with the reliability and sturdiness of PRIJON's excellent HTP-material. The PURE is very stable, and it turns and boofs better than any creeker on the market today. The PURE is outfitted with PRIJON's Flex‑6 system, which provides paddlers with safety features and comfort. And, on top of it all, the PURE is almost indestructible and always ready to challenge new creeks and rivers!

Material: HTP
Length: 259 cm / 8'6"
Width: 67 cm / 26"
Weight: 21 kg / 46 lb
Volume: 298 l / 78.5 gal
Optimal Paddler Weight: 65 - 85 kg / 145 - 190 lb
Cockpit: 34” x 18”
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Old 03-28-2010   #18
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As one of the few Embudo fans (fans of the boat, everyone loves the run), I can comment on the Prijon plastic. It is definitely different that the other plastic out there. The Embudo that I owned was paddled by Roy and then myself for a total of 6 years of front range creeking before it cracked. We are talking hundreds of low water Bear Creek/Bailey/Blackrock/Big South runs. I can't think of any other modern boat that could do that.

The lack of a center pillar is concerning, even though I somehow never worried about this when I paddled the Embudo. The HTP is, if anything, more flexible than other plastic. It just does not crack. I think adding a center pillar would be a great idea. But adding a pillar that would actually be secure enough to increase the strength of the boat would be tough.

I really liked the Embudo. I just thought it was a bit small and needed a little more rocker. If they can fix those problems, the new boat should be great. Most Nomads/Jefes last on average about one year (one month for Ian). If Prijon could imitate their design, this boat would definitely be worth buying. The dollar/euro rate is pretty bad though.
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Old 03-28-2010   #19
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I would love a HTP Nomad 8.5. But I'm one of the rare ones that got 5 seasons out of my Nomad.

I might have to take the Pure out for a test drive.....
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Old 03-28-2010   #20
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I just got my Pure. Similar to El Flaco, my dream boat would have been a nomad 8.5 in prijon plastic. The pure seems pretty close to that.

I haven't taken the pure on any real whitewater yet, just outfitted it and did a few slalom workouts at confluence. I've paddled a nomad 8.5 and a jefe grande over the last several seasons.

My first impressions...

I put the pure side by side with one of the many nomad carcasses in my garage. They are both the same length and have similar bows. I measured the circumference of the bow in front on the cockpit and close to the nose and they are almost exactly the same. The stern of the pure is slightly smaller than the nomad, measuring about an inch or two less in circumference around the stern just behind the cockpit. I think I'd rather have that bit of extra stern volume the nomad has to minimize unintentional squirts, but have yet to really see how it handles going through holes. In contrast, I feel like the grande has more volume than I need. Typical paddling weight for me is 190-200 with 5-10 lbs of safety gear plus weight of gear I wear.

The hull of the prijon is kind of like a cross between a nomad and a burn. Its got a smooth bow to stern rocker profile. At the bow there is no edge, but as you get further away from the bow, the edge slowly gets more defined, coming to maximum edge under the cockpit. The hull is slightly crowned with a semi displacement hull that transitions over two close together somewhat soft edges. Instead of hull to sidewall with one edge, the pure has two angular edge transitions closely spaced together. The boat seems to have a good bit of rocker in the pics, but it doesn't seem as much on the water. It is more than the embudo.

The pure feels easier to turn than the jefe or the nomad, requiring less power to spin it around. This should make it a fairly nimble boat. I haven't really dialed the edge in yet, but its predictably easier to use it to carve vs. the grande. Time will tell, but the pure might have a nice balance between ease of turning and edge control for holding a line. The nomad and the grande were opposite sides of the spectrum on this. The nomad held a line but was more difficult to turn. The grande turned pretty easily, but was harder to hold a line. I think that pure will be inbetween somewhere.

The outfitting of the pure is comfy. Didn't take me long to get it pretty dialed in. Its got a ratcheting backband, and a comfy seat. The seat pad goes over the hip pads similar to the jefe badass outfitting, but not over the backband too. The foot brace bulkhead is interesting. Its on a sliding metal rail for stability, but a 2" cam strap type device holds the tension to keep the footbrace in place instead of the common screws in most other boats. Adjusting the bulkhead is super simple with a pull on the straps to tighten it up, or loosen the backpack type buckle to get more space. I've got some concerns about this system though. First off it seems overly complicated and somewhat heavy. Also, even though the straps are taught and on the side of the boat, it seems like having a strap in there has the rare potential for entanglement. I might experiment with taking the whole setup out and simply putting in some foam or an old nomad foot brace. In the end I don't think its a huge deal... its super convenient for those that like it, and it you don't want it, pull it out and put something else up there.

In general the outfitting seems a bit over the top. Its comfortable, easily adjustable and fuction, but the cost is lots of screws, parts, pieces etc. I like the jackson philosophy of simple but fucntional outfitting with minimal holes in the boat and less screws and gadgets. I think if boat manufacturers took a more spartan backpacking mindset to boat outfitting, several pounds could be shaved off the boat weight. My guess is that most folks will enjoy the multiple adjustments and ease of outfitting and won't worry too much about the complexity or the weight.

I don't think the lack of a pillar in the prijon is a downside. The main reason most boats have pillars is that standard plastic is too weak to structurally resist folding in a pin. The prijon plastic is much stronger and has the hull integrity to resist folding on its own without a pillar. Not having a pillar makes it easier to get your legs out of the boat as your legs don't need to come past the pillar before they come out of the boat. If you are really worried about the pillar, simply glue a foam pillar from a nomad in there. I've got loads of them if anyone wants one.

The lack of a pillar makes for pretty slick overnighter packing. Been planning an overnighther, and packing all my gear into the pure was pretty easy.

Of course one of the main reasons I am interested in the pure is the plastic. Cracking boats sucks. I've spent countless hours welding my boats and taking the seat out and putting it back in. I've also had more runs that I would care turn from classic creeking missions to sketchy squirtboat submarine missions in a cracked boat.

I'm going to reserve final judgement on the Pure until I get some days on some difficult water under my belt in it, but my first take on it is that its a good boat.

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