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Old 03-07-2011   #11
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One other thing is that the breakdown frame from Dave contains no pins like PRE seems to have and is so common with raft frames. I don't know if I can describe his method, but it bolts together inside of the tubes/pipe and is as solid as a regular frame.

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Old 03-11-2011   #12
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I am curious what the real weight difference is between Payette River Equipment and Madcatr frames. I have a PRE, and it is a great frame, adjustable and strong. I think their website says 55 pounds without the seat.

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Old 03-11-2011   #13
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I think I remember hearing that Dave's wind river frame is sub 30 lbs without seat and oar locks (26 lbs seems to stick in my mind), which kind of seams unbelievable.
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Just for kicks I weighed a wind river frame at my shop. With a high back nrs seat and cobra oarlocks it came in at 57 lbs. Dimensions 64 wide x 63 long. Cheap Wally world scale give or take a few pounds. The only payette frame I ever saw was smaller and took two guys to lift it.

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