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Old 01-01-2011   #1
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Linear vs Elite Villain Creeking Conundrum

I am planning to get a Villain S for this coming season and have been researching and demoing. I have heard rumors that it would be better to get the Linear outfitting and plastic for creeking and I am not sure why. I also don't have the individual I heard the rumor from around to tell me why. I have a 2010 Hero and a 2009 Fun and both are the elite model. I love the outfitting and have had no problems with the cross link so far...

Can anyone give me a decent argument or at least some info about why I should go with the linear plastic over the Crosslink or vice versa in the Villain?

In case it matters... I am 6' 2" 155 lbs and I plan to do a few multi day trips as well as tight, sharp bony creeks and elf runs.

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Old 01-01-2011   #2
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linear boats are weldable cross link is not. creekers will crack. also the outfitting in the the boats are similar and id say the linear outfitting pack out faster. i just use the old hip pads in my linear boats. I have broken 3 CL boats, i am giving linear a try.

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Pack out?

What do you mean pack out? What are the specific differences in the outfitting? All I can tell is that it doesn't have the sweet cheeks bean bag.
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the thigh, knee pad and the hip pad of the linear seem softer than the elite version and seem to pack out too quickly, as in, compress sooner and need for minicell to fill the void. all though my play boating has improved so it might just be me.

and yes, instead of the beans under your cheeks you get a pad of foam. awesome boats.

I paddle a villan and a mon-star linear coming from a CL super hero and super fun.
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The Elite outfitting is definitely the way to go. The main reason to buy the linear outfitting is the price point. The plastic remains a raging debate. I do know a couple boaters who do excellent weld jobs on linear plastic. You definitely can't weld Crosslink. I paddle in all Elite boats and carry bitchathane just in case for riverside repairs. Also, Jackson has easily the best customer service and warranty in kayaking. Don't take my word for it, read here (JK crosslink, not all it's "cracked" up to be). So you pretty much can't go wrong.
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