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Old 06-04-2009   #1
Steamboat Springs, Colorado
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L Ammo vs Super Hero vs M Burn

I am 46 year old solid IV boater looking for a creeker/river runner for IV+/V- low volume creeks and high volume rivers in Colorado. I won't be huck'n big drops. I am 6'-2, 200 lbs. with 12.5 shoes. I am currently in a Huck which is a bit small and not as stable as I'd like. My daily boat is a Recoil which I love. Because the local creeks (Fish & Willow) are small I'm wanting to stay 8' or less.

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Old 06-04-2009   #2
Evergreen, Colorado
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Dont be affraid to throw a Bliss-stick SCUD into the mix. Its a pretty cool micro creeker with a playboat hull. I like the fit and feel of it. The planing hull wants to carve into eddies and fits really well. It is slow I even feel like it excellerates slow sometimes. It kinda rolls funky due to the planing hull but seems to feel a bit more stable when you have it on edge.

I Tried the Ammo and have to say i did not like it so much. It backendered on me in the middle of nofunfalls on the upper bear creek.

I cannot comment on the other two boats you mentioned.

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Old 06-04-2009   #3
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I think you would be happy with either the Burn or the Super Hero. I haven't heard many good things about the Ammo other than it being great hole bait. If you like to run things low you may get tripped up with the sharp chines on the Burn where the SH has a bit of a softer edge. The burn will likely be faster and hold a line better on high water runs. I'd recomend demoing both on something you do a lot (like Fish Creek) and seeing what you prefer.

PS - I'm biased as I boat for JK but have lots of friends who dig the Burns.
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Old 06-04-2009   #4
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I've paddled both the Burn and the SuperHero and ended up with the SH... mainly because I really like the outfitting and I felt like I could move the boat around quickly on the fly, kinda like a playboat. I've paddled it on some really low PacNW water and some relatively high PacNW water and it handles both with equal ease, though you do have to watch the boat in higher water - with all the volume up front, it does have a tendancy to get pushed around a bit, but it you stay aggressive, that is easily dealt with. My only complaint with the boat is that it is a bit slow out of the box, but once you get a good head of steam going, it does move pretty quick.

Bottom line, both are great boats, but slightly different in how they perform.

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Old 06-04-2009   #5
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Would the large burn be more sutable for a 200 lb boater?
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Old 06-04-2009   #6
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I am really liking the Jackson Super Hero. Love how it ferries in bigger water and tracks better than a typical creeker.

I agree that you should be looking at the large burn at 200lbs, not the med.

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Generally, yes. 200lbs would be pushing it for a medium burn.

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