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Old 06-08-2015   #21
syracuse, New York
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Thanks all I found a dealer about an hour away from me so I'm going to try them both out. I'll post back with my decision

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Old 06-09-2015   #22
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You will fit Karma MD, Zen 75 or a new Zen L. In class 2/3 the karma will be slower but in class 4 it will be great. Then Zen 75 is better/faster in class 3. The new Zen L has more rocker than the 75 and kicks ass everywhere. If you look for a deal on an overstock Zen 75 you won't be disappointed it is still a great boat. If you mainly run class 3 and under you will be happier in either Zen. Sometimes creekers are cooler on the roof of your car than low grade water. If you only run class 3 or less you might want to check out a funrunner 70. It is great all around river runner, classic design that is fast and super playful downriver, my kid would rather die than let go of his 60. Just sayin'..... Maybe even the new LL Braap......

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Old 06-09-2015   #23
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My advice from growing up in Watertown would be to have a playboat for the salmon and black rivers, this is where you will find yourself paddling a lot. But, if your are running the moose and other rivers up there a Zen would be great. Edgy boats work well up there in the big volume NNY rivers. Just don't be surprised if the locals give you a load of S&it for paddling a Jackson. Pyranha and LL kind of rule this region.
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It doesn't matter. What ever you get, you'll soon want to get 3 or 4 more boats anyway

See if you can paddle both. Take them to the play park and play around. Everyone speaks wisdom on the nature of the boats. I just took both down a big water run and felt neither had a clear advantage. Minor differences abound.

On the river, I can abandon who I am and what I've done. However brief it lasts, while on the river I am nothing important and everything insignificant. I am flotsam, and happy to be so.
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