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Old 07-22-2005   #11
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structural integrity of rachet mod

i just checked out the rachet modification posted above. this may result in a significant change in forces on the boat, as the backband was previously secured at two ends of the rope (first by the seat, and second at the cockpit rope cleat), creating a 2:1 pull. with the rachet mod, all the force is applied at the cockpit cleat (now rachet) location creating a 1:1 pull, and none at the seat. use caution, as if i am seeing this correctly, it would double (or more) the resultant force at the cockpit (and newly install rachet) when compared to the original set up.

looks like a workable idea, but i would personally modify it to leave the original seat attachment, and then simply drill a new hole for the rope routing to 're enter' the cockpit closer to the new ratchet location, thus leaving the 2:1 pull intact.

this is the engineer in me talking, and i wanted to post this observation. doubling the force on a peice of plastic could lead to pretty rapid failure.

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Old 07-22-2005   #12
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I paddled the Super Star for a stint up on a super fast wave in Idaho and I found it to be a slug on a wave of any real caliber, buddy of mine felt the same on south canyon on wed night.

That will not really be an issue for any CO boaters cause we have like 2 or 3 waves in the whole state that may piss you off in a boat of that hule design.

Another thing, The Kid or whoever said that Jackson plastic is the best in the biz you are wrong. Prijon and Eskimo (although they have very little in the way of play designs) have far superior plastic to crosslink even. After them I agree.

I really hope EJ's company is doing well. It should and his designs look awesom for holes.

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Good boat but they will oilcan all boats oilcan over time nothing that can be done about it.

It doesn't matter how big the air it can get if you don't like the way it fits.
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Old 07-27-2005   #14
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Is there any reason not to buy a Jackson?

I'm with the folks with complaints about the "clam cleat" system on the Jacksons.... as a complete discliamer, I otherwise *love* my Fun-- it's a comfy boat, dry, solid, runs well, plays well, and I've demoed and paddled a number of other boats, and couldn't be more pleased with my newest purchase: DEFINITELY happy I went with the Jackson!

So maybe I'm a complete moron (no touching that one, guys!), but I think I must be doing something wrong with the cleats. I have slippage issues once the rope system gets wet, and it's not uncommon for me to get to the end of a paddle and pop my skirt only to find at least one of the cleats has come undone and my backband is hanging limp on one side. It's a bit annoying. I mean, I've tried pulling the ropes into the cleats as tighly as I can, but I just can't get them to get a solid "catch" or hold....? What gives? Is there some magic formula I'm missing??
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Old 07-27-2005   #15
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Try making sure the ropes are in the teeth when you pull them up. Then lean back against the backband to seat them. That should do the trick.

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