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Old 05-26-2012   #11
Leavenworth, Washington
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Leave the boot as intact as possible, it provides some structural stability.

But absolutely check the glue. Glue should be replaced every year. I can attest to this after repairing a raft above Phantom twice in a morning when the first patch peeled off due to old glue.


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Old 05-26-2012   #12
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also, is there a valve wrench or have any big channel locks,ect? that would be my other concern, as well before going any further.

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Old 05-26-2012   #13
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My experience with valves is no tools are necessary except a valve wrench and pressure. When the boat is inflated the pressure holds the back nut allowing you to tighten and loosen without grabbing the nut on the inside. At least my experience with Maravia and Aire with leafield

How far away are you from the rental or another raft rental place, how long is your trip, how many other boats in your group, and how fucked will you be if your repair gives out on day one and you have to repair it every day of the trip ? or if you have to return two days later than intended

I'd error on the side of caution. You dont want to be stranded somewhere with shit gear if its gonna mess up your trip. I'd rather launch at 4:30 and have a good float then get out at 10am and have to deal with this issue for the whole trip

Much easier to make up miles by running less working boats or perfectly working and maintained gear then to be hobbled by crap gear
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Old 05-26-2012   #14
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We're sitting above flaming gorge, was going to float the green - dam to swinging bridge over 2.5 days

Didn't check the glue, the repair materials in the kit are only 2" wide strips, so we're SOL on this rig unless we try some gluing technique with existing materials. No valve wrench either that I could least nothing that looks like my big stamped c7 wrench.

Tard is right about being safe. the water is not normally crazy, but you're very committed after we put in at the dam till little hole. With multiple kids with us and the high flows, we decided to roll up the beAst and go searching for a sub at 0600 tomorrow. The local fishing shops rent some scadden and star rigs that would be safer at this point.

Thank you to all of you for trying to get me up and running tonight; this has been a most bogus learning experience.

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Old 05-26-2012   #15
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My phone double posted, thanks again.
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Old 05-26-2012   #16
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I am not sure how far you are from Vernal, but you can try River Runners Transport as well for rentals and/or repair help.

"Self-guided, full support river running and white water rafting adventures: safe shuttle services, full or partial support river trips available, and complete, delicious meals are prepared. Whitewater river trips include: Gate of Lodore, Lower Yampa
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Old 05-26-2012   #17
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good luck, scott.

avtard, a-7's are abit different that the c-7 leafield. they have a thick hex base that is used to loosen/tighten. channel locks or an adjustable wrench work pretty well for it. to be honest, i don't even think there is an actual valve wrench for the a-7 because of that.

have a good weekend folks. remember to pour one out for the fallen.

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