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Old 08-12-2011   #11
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Originally Posted by snakester View Post
Hojo said "To extend the Powell analogy: It is hypocritical to berate someone's desire to use a GPS based on your arguments."

HOJO did you not notice that I already apologized for berating the techno junkies? Even Powell had a chronometer and some other fancy gagetry of his day to plot their exact location, I forgot what it was called but it would only work if they could see the sun. Do you remember? It was similar to a sextant or something.
Originally I thought they were joking about plotting in the rapids because I've never used a GPS, not even in a car. I guess if you get used to using one you tend to rely on it instead of your own instincts.To each his own, and once again my apologies to Matt & Bill. Good luck with your Garmin. How far is it to the take out? Not Far Enough.~ Jake
My apologies. I did notice and should have cited. My comment wasn't intended to call you out personally.

My favorite story about Powell, which I read in the book "Big Drops," was when the first oarsman finally realized he can and should turn to face the rapids. Up until then the oarsmen would row facing upstream. Seems so obvious though I think it was Powell's third expedition or something like that before they switched.

On the river, I can abandon who I am and what I've done. However brief it lasts, while on the river I am nothing important and everything insignificant. I am flotsam, and happy to be so.
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Old 08-13-2011   #12
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I am new to the whole GPS thing too but I have used it twice on river trips. I find it helpful on very high water trips when camps are submerged and you are flying by at 10 mph. Nobody on our trip even noticed we had passed the Yampa/Green confluence. Also, you can find topos from most western states for free if you search the web. Rivermaps website has coordinates for rapids, camps etc for all the rivers that they make guidebooks for.

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Old 09-09-2011   #13
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Funny, many people talk about getting river guide maps as a good thing. But GPS no.. Odd a GPS is a electronic map. I plan to bring one (actually probably just my iphone) on my San Juan / Bulff Trip coming up (don't need cell service for the GPS to work). Plan to find the geocaches along the way. Will also hide a few too. Got plenty of waypoints off RiverMaps Map Books
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Old 09-09-2011   #14
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Hey MrSkippy. I believe you need service for the GPS to show the actual map
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Old 09-09-2011   #15
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Originally Posted by Morticai
Hey MrSkippy. I believe you need service for the GPS to show the actual map
Correct, if you use the maps app built into the iPhone.

But if you use other app like MotionX gps you can download and cache maps, road maps, topographic maps, aerial picture (sat) and marine maps. MotionX is nice because I just downloaded the waypoints from, converted to gpx and emailed the file to my phone. Down loaded about 5gb of maps of the area and I am set.

Yes I am a geek but can still have fun.

We are installing the 30" LCD and blue ray player on my buddies Cataraft Sunday. Lol,
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Old 09-09-2011   #16
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Garmin makes nice stuff. I use a Delorme PN-60 for mountaineering and it is amazing. Very powerful little device. You can download topos, USGS Quads, satellite photos, etc but that isn't necessarily unique to the Delorme. One nice thing is that you can overlay the different types of imagery on top of each other.

One big advantage of the Delorme PN-60 is that you can use it to send text messages to any email address via a SPOT satellite messenger if you run into trouble. Also SOS for Search and Rescue.

However, my personal opinion is that the large, spiral bound water proof maps from RiverMaps are all you need. Much bigger maps than any GPS screen with rafter specific info.

Whatever floats your raft.
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Old 09-12-2011   #17
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GPS is great on the river for a lot of obvious reasons. Relying on it exclusively is obviously not smart, but is a nice tool to have.

I have an eTrex which is pretty basic, no fancy maps, but good enough for waypoints. My friend has the Garmin Oregon something something and it's pretty impressive. Very detailed maps, touch screen, whole nine yards
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Old 09-12-2011   #18
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I like the cheap, used eTrek devices sold on eBay for $50 or so. They have odometer and speedometer functions and draw a simple line to show where you've been. That line matches the map and makes navigation a cinch.

That said, and at the risk of sounding arrogant, nobody should ever own a GPS without taking a full-on back-country navigation course with a traditional map and compass. Taking bearings, accounting for declination, translating the canyon walls around you to topo lines to find yourself on the map, and saving yourself when lost are all necessary skills for wilderness travel. I find that maybe 1 in 10 of the people I travel with have any notion of how to navigate using a map and compass.

Buy this book The Essential Wilderness Navigator (Ragged Mountain Press essential series on outdoor pursuits) (9780070563230): David Seidman, Christine Erikson: Books, a good compass, and go spend some time outside practicing. You may find that you love the traditional method and never buy a GPS, you might find that GPS fits in great with your personal navigation style, but if you can't take a bearing with a compass or triangulate your position using landmarks, you're just asking for bad shit to happen.

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