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Old 11-29-2010   #21
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Since I have yet to take anything on the buzz personal.. you got nothing to worry about.. why don't we do a winter vertical challenge. bet we could get some money raised.. Phil you got any Kayaking in lately..

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Old 11-29-2010   #22
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Have you demod the jefe or nomad?
Those are two of the most popular creekers around. If you don't like either try a Pyrahna Burn. If that still doesn't suit you try the Jackson Villian. If things still aren't working out then perhaps you should try a river runner or playboat.

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Old 11-29-2010   #23
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Mikes got a point you might like how a boat sounds on paper but you have to feel it to know.

Also bickering with mike on the buzz isn't gonna end well, and its a forum so shit don't take it personally.
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Old 11-29-2010   #24
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Mike, I ain't been out for close to 3 weeks. My mental health is slippin...
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Old 11-30-2010   #25
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Don't mind cm there... he always seems to be like that. Also check out the Wave Sport Habitat. I paddled the Nomad for about 5 seasons and I like the Habitat so much more. The Jefe is also very comparable. Depending on what you're getting into, the Hero series is great. I paddled one in Chile and loved it for medium size drops, small volume creeking, and big water. You're not to far from the Nanty, so try NOC and Endless River Adventures for demos. The Chattooga would be a great place to try them out as well!

good luck in your search!
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Old 11-30-2010   #26
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I started creeking in a nomad. I liked it, felt like it helped me get through a lot of tough spots as I was stepping up my creeking game. But then it started cracking, a lot sooner than i thought it should have... I was not as clean on my lines but still, it broke on me pretty early on. I have seen them break a lot with other boaters too..

Now I am paddling a Bliss Stick mystic and I highly reccomend it. The nomad tracks straighter, where the Mystic turns much more quickly. It is rather slow for a creeker, but punches everything sooo smoothly that you really don't need as much speed. As long as I can afford another after this one breaks I don't think I will be switching boats any time soon. And by the way, I have been running my mystic down low water new england creeks for about a full year now, and its still going strong (fingers crossed)...

From the looks of the boat and what I hear the Fluid Solo paddles similar to the mystic, and i have heard of people getting them a lot cheaper.

If durability is your top factor you should also check out Prions and Eskimos.. i have not paddled either but they looks to have some nice lines, and definitely a bombproof reputation.

Enough input for now? Have any other questions?
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Are you coming from a playboating background? If so, a planing hulled creekboat might ease the transition. Check out the fluid Detox. I really like the way it paddles. (As a disclaimer, I am sponsored by fluid, but I'm being honest. I really do like the way it paddles.) Planing hulled boats in general will be a little easier to turn, and carve a little more when you make eddy turns. In many situations (big water especially) the planing hulled boats will be less "grabby", and a little more forgiving. Displacement hulled boats deal better with rocks, and are more forgiving in other types of water. If you're moving forward through the water in any semblance of control, a planing hulled boat will feel nicer. If you're running hard enough water that you rarely move faster than the water and hit rocks all the time, and perhaps spend a good portion of the run with your boat not in contact with the water, then a displacement hull is probably the best boat for you.

Whatever the differences, they're not that important when you're starting out. Planing hull creekboats will work just fine pretty far into your creeking career. By the time you get to the stage that a displacement hull will actually make a difference, you will be competent enough to make your own call.

A couple other planing hulled creekboats are the Detox, the deisel, the hero series, and maybe the ammo. Try them all out, and try some displacement hulls too.

Any reason you can't wait until you get the the northwest and demo boats there? Their season is just getting started.

P.s. caspermike is not really a jerk, he just plays one on the internet.

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