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Old 02-29-2012   #21
 
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This may be a dumb question but I'll ask anyway......isn't it heavy to carry all those long cam straps for pitching your tarp? Isn't it hard to tie out or stake out a cam strap with a buckle on the end? Just wondering? Seems like a lot of extra weight.
I went the other direction and lightened up with a silnylon tarp. Sturdy but lighter weight with cat-cut edges to prevent the flapping.
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Old 02-29-2012   #22
 
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You loop the long strap around your anchor before you connect it to the short one on the tarp.

Seem that even in a small group you can come up with enough straps to do the job.
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Old 02-29-2012   #23
 
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Got it, thanks. Now it makes sense. Sounds like a strong system, but I don't think I can wean my group off the light weight lines we use. We just like messing with string and practicing our knot tying skills. We have larger & heavier tarps, but my 12 X 15 silnylon tarp was a big hit last summer for trips with a smaller group.
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Old 02-29-2012   #24
 
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Kelty Pavilion Shadehouse

I was wondering if anybody has tried the Kelty Pavilion Shadehouse. almost 200 sq.ft and free standing, although you would be stupid not to stake it down and guy it out. I wonder how well it stands up to the wind, it has six poles and the same top like those wind resistant umbrellas.

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Old 02-29-2012   #25
 
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Regular tarps work too for all kinds of good stuff
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We had one stopped bringing it after one trip. Big-time wind catcher and will bend or collaps even if staked out well. What's missing on these kinds of things is the rigid center or corner poles. The curved poles just have too much flex to hold up in the wind.

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I was wondering if anybody has tried the Kelty Pavilion Shadehouse. almost 200 sq.ft and free standing, although you would be stupid not to stake it down and guy it out. I wonder how well it stands up to the wind, it has six poles and the same top like those wind resistant umbrellas.

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Old 02-29-2012   #27
 
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Tarp edge seam luff...

Rip stop nylon and other tarp material stretches along the bias (diagonal) as the weave of the warp and woof are essentially at right angles which allows the fabric to stretch from corner to corner. Curved edges pre-shrink the tarp there to decrease wind luff or flap stretch. (I doubt few tarps have true catenary curves as they are hard to lay out.) However, all tarps expand with moisture and that means that they stretch with dew overnight. Hanging weights from the edge seams counteracts this as the weights exert a continuous force against the luff. The fabric can expand but the weight will compensate. Edge seam weights (attached rocks) also pull the tarp down, spilling rain and keeping rainwater from pooling in the middle of the tarp and decreasing the consequent leaking from water molecule creep.
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Old 02-29-2012   #28
 
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Toughstakes are the greatest thing for setting your tarp in the sand. Look at them on nrs. Light and strong. They stay put.
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Old 02-29-2012   #29
 
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Toughstakes look great but I think my wife would kill me if I told her I just spent $120 on 4 tent stakes. Come to think of it, I would kill myself. I think I will buy a couple big L brackets. They will serve a similar purpose without the $$$. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Toughstakes look great but I think my wife would kill me if I told her I just spent $120 on 4 tent stakes. Come to think of it, I would kill myself. I think I will buy a couple big L brackets. They will serve a similar purpose without the $$$. Thanks for the suggestion.
Sounds like a perfect anniversary/birthday present...
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