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Old 07-12-2010   #11
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What are you talking about?

I paddle 0 degree offset in the biggest water I can find (the mighty Slave river at the moment), and it works totally fine. If you're concerned about that upper blade catching the pile as you punch a hole, worry more about your head and body. I have not ever had that be an issue. Also, the vertical stroke argument is a good one, except it only applies to strokes on the right hand side. Strokes on the left would be harder. 0 degree is the most symmetric possible.

Furthermore, my friend John here, who has only ever paddled the Slave river (plus like two other rivers) is pretty much calling you guys sissies. To punch holes in big water, you don't sit up straight and use the boof stroke you're probably envisioning from small water. You reach deep, and tuck as hard as you can. The offest does not come into play.

So basically, don't listen to anyone who tries to stop you. 0 degree all the way!

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Old 07-12-2010   #12
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ahaha... o offset if you play all day on the slave. you dont need a paddle to surf

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Old 07-12-2010   #13
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Originally Posted by leif View Post
Also, the vertical stroke argument is a good one, except it only applies to strokes on the right hand side. Strokes on the left would be harder. 0 degree is the most symmetric possible.
I'm having trouble correlating offset to less twisting of the wrist on a vertical stroke. I guess I'm not sure what's meant by twisting of the wrist. Are we talking about moving the wrist back and forth or the wrist in relation to the paddle during the stroke? It seems like less offset means less wrist movement.

I still argue it's the position of the upper hand, the one doing the pushing, where the offset is significant. Since you have a control hand (usually right) and a free hand (that will let the blade slide through it back and forth), whenever your free hand is on top, the offset doesn't matter because it can position itself freely. But when the control hand is on top, the position of the wrist will be determined by the amount of blade offset. Make sense?

Again, I have no problem with a zero degree offset, but I do think one small advantage of a little bit of offset is a more powerful wrist position on the upper hand during the stroke. Is this sexual innuendo?
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Old 07-12-2010   #14
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Does anyone know why sea kayaking usually uses 45 degree offset, sometimes 60. I used to sea kayak exclusively and never gave it much thought, other then headwind (which is pretty subtle at those levels and would be better served by 90 degree offset anyway).
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Old 07-13-2010   #15
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Does the 0 offset make for a less ergonomic design for traditional paddling styles. Yes. Does it make for a better ergonomic design when both hands remain fixed with no control hand, I think so. I stopped letting one hand slip when I got a bent shaft (at 30 degrees) and since have found I like using 0 offset. I can paddle plenty fast and powerful and I have yet to have wrist issues I used to have with the offset paddles. I understand this will not be universal for everyone but it is working for me. Seeing Leif's support of 0 offset and knowing what he paddles, I'll stick with what has been working for me.
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Old 07-13-2010   #16
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what works for you is great but ergonomically both wrists will be antithrottling if you paddle soely tight gripped. which is incorrect form. the purchase out of the paddle will never be maxed out. bent or straight has nothing to do with with the ergonomics between the bones in your hand pushing the paddle shaft or your thumb and tendons doing the work.. ill boof off my bones.

ksc i understand what you are saying some people to lazy to pick up their paddle and figure out what we mean by bad ergonomics, maybe bikers will turn there throttles around for better orgonomics now called the limp as queer wrist..

leif is a some half breed of yugoslavian norweigeign. really tuff guys. see that big south vid.. tuff guy

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