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Old 07-05-2008   #1
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Tanker Truck sitting in the Colorado by Parchute

Does anyone now why the involved do not make removeal a priority?It has been there for several weeks a local said. Completely submerged till now.
Seems that contaminating the river would be a priority.
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Old 07-05-2008   #2
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I would also find this hard to believe. Even if empty I would assume the removal would be a priority.
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Old 07-06-2008   #3
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bet its from Halliburton.
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Old 07-06-2008   #4
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I'm trying to figuire how you'd go about it. I know a little about cranes and that's a big load a long way from anything. How would you get it out?
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Old 07-06-2008   #5
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A diver hooks a cable and then they drag it out..
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Old 07-06-2008   #6
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Because the fed (in charge of interstate highways) sucks!
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Old 07-06-2008   #7
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Because the fed (in charge of interstate highways) sucks!

Snowhere--

I'm guessing you're just mindlessly repeating what you hear everybody mindlessly saying about the "government", in an attempt to be humorous--as a transportation engineer for the state though, I definitely have to respond to your post and stick up for us gov't agency reps--and I also have to say, your post is a classic example of the old saying: "you can stay silent and people might think you're an idiot, or you can speak up and remove all doubt"

Just to set the record straight:

1st of all, the state administers the planning, design, construction, and maintenance of interstate highways in CO, not the feds (fhwa)

2nd, the river is not State highway right-of-way, and therefore not within the jurisdiction of the transportation department (I don't know for certain what other state agency might have jurisdiction tho...)

3rd - I believe, and please correct me if I'm wrong--this situation is the result of the (excessive, irresponsible, and negligent) water-consumption operations at the oil and gas facility--the oil company and/or the water trucking company is therefore responsible and liable for the recovery/remediation work and any associated resulting damages.

4th--just fyi, a recovery/removal operation of this nature will obviously be extremely difficult and will require planning and resources, and the costs to remove a tanker truck in the middle of a high-water river will be very expensive: a sufficiently large crane would prob cost $10k to $20k PER DAY, minimum; dive staff, containment and remediation work, traffic control costs, emergency response, etc. would run just about as much--this work doesn't just happen when you snap your fingers, and and somebody has to pay for it--I would guess that you are unaware of the logistics and actual costs of such work are or how they're derived, or how funds for such emergency work are appropriated and administered.

I'm also fairly certain that you, like many people, have little or no knowledge of the details of how the highway funds for design, construction, and maintenence are appropriated at the state and federal legislative levels for use by the agencies that "suck", and how little funds are available compared to the work required in the state of CO and around the rest of the country--not to mention now taking the rap for not instantaneously responding to some driver's or mechanic's (or more likely some overly profit-conscious equipment manager's) fuck-up that resulted in a truck in the river

look, I criticize the inefficiencies of our state and local gov'ts as much as the next guy, and I get plenty of good-natured razzing as a gov't employee by my private sector colleagues too--but they and I also know what it takes to administer complex, lengthy design and construction projects, and to navigate complex gov't regulations too. Everybody's entitled to their opinion, but please--take a moment to educate yourself next time before subjecting us all to your mis/uninformed ranting
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Snowhere--

4th--just fyi, a recovery/removal operation of this nature will obviously be extremely difficult and will require planning and resources, and the costs to remove a tanker truck in the middle of a high-water river will be very expensive: a sufficiently large crane would prob cost $10k to $20k PER DAY, minimum; dive staff, containment and remediation work, traffic control costs, emergency response, etc. would run just about as much--this work doesn't just happen when you snap your fingers, and and somebody has to pay for it--
Well, then the idiots who hired the f**k-nut driver who did it need to buck up and recover their s**t. Isn't that what the EPA is all about? Holding commercial companies responsible for keeping their crap out of the river?
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A diver hooks a cable and then they drag it out..
You're kidding right? The driver of what? I've rigged and recovered a few heavy vehicles. I don't think that's gonna work.
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Here's a link of the article, it's a water tanker that's been in there a week..
Truck rolls into Colorado River near Parachute | PostIndependent.com
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