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Old 04-30-2009   #1
 
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Problems scouting #5 on the Ark

New landowners on river left at #5 on the Ark are forbidding getting out of your boat and scouting. Signs and fences proliferate. Ridiculous.
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zipbak... are the signs and fences within the high water line? if so cut them out.
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trespassing may be interperated to be rocks in the river, ankle deep water, etc, etc. Don't exactly know what the letter of the law is here, but land owners can be really nasty about it. However there is a public road and bridge right there.

Good to know about the temper of these new owners, thanks for the heads up. That land used to be my favorite camping spot on the ark, sigh...
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zipbak... are the signs and fences within the high water line? if so cut them out.
Yeah...that should help promote a positive image of boaters.
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think about it if there is a fence within the highwater line. this would be equivilant to a strainer, when the water rises. how wouldn't it promote a positive image of safety? or somebody could say fake swiminto super low water and sue them for gross neglect.
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land owners

Unfortunately, it is my understanding that the river bed belongs to the private land owners in CO. If you step out of your boat, even in knee deep water, you are technically tresspassing. So....., cutting out a fence, even if it is below the high water line, is illegal and you can be sited.

This is a real bummer.

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if it is a possible hazard wink wink to your life or rafters custies... than it should be removved. or its starting to sound like you all would rather have the fence close to the river on damn near the most commercially ran stretch in the us. fences in the water on commercial strectch= no bueno. so say if you are paddling don't touch the river bed and get stuck in the fence... i would sue for gross neglect.
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Unfortunately I doubt the land owner will care. I had a run in with him last year when I was running down stream chasing a swimmer, trying to get him a rope. The ever so polite land own didn't care about the safety and health of my friend that was swimminig solo with no help other than me in freezing water. I got the impression he'd charge a dead body with trespassing right along with a live one. Which is unfortunate that he's that much of a prick, but oh well.
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the fence is high and dry--in no way a hazard or impediment to boating
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Private land is private land. Even if the owner is a jerk, you still can't walk on his land - period. That means river center up to dry land and beyond.

Hopefully the commercial rafters or American Whitewater can/will get involved and find an amicable arrangement.
If their attitude or lack of cooperation bugs you, donate some money to AW. The last thing anyone should do is fan the flames or provoke them and make the issue even worse.
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