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Old 04-30-2009   #1
zipbak

Profile:  Buena Vista, Colorado
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Problems scouting #5 on the Ark

New landowners on river left at #5 on the Ark are forbidding getting out of your boat and scouting. Signs and fences proliferate. Ridiculous.
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Old 04-30-2009   #2
caspermike

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zipbak... are the signs and fences within the high water line? if so cut them out.
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Old 04-30-2009   #3
caseybailey

Profile:  mountains, Colorado
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zipbak... are the signs and fences within the high water line? if so cut them out.
Yeah...that should help promote a positive image of boaters.
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Old 04-30-2009   #4
UserName

Profile:  Cisco, Utah
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trespassing may be interperated to be rocks in the river, ankle deep water, etc, etc. Don't exactly know what the letter of the law is here, but land owners can be really nasty about it. However there is a public road and bridge right there.

Good to know about the temper of these new owners, thanks for the heads up. That land used to be my favorite camping spot on the ark, sigh...
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Old 04-30-2009   #5
caspermike

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think about it if there is a fence within the highwater line. this would be equivilant to a strainer, when the water rises. how wouldn't it promote a positive image of safety? or somebody could say fake swiminto super low water and sue them for gross neglect.
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Old 04-30-2009   #6
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land owners

Unfortunately, it is my understanding that the river bed belongs to the private land owners in CO. If you step out of your boat, even in knee deep water, you are technically tresspassing. So....., cutting out a fence, even if it is below the high water line, is illegal and you can be sited.

This is a real bummer.

Kim
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Old 04-30-2009   #7
caspermike

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if it is a possible hazard wink wink to your life or rafters custies... than it should be removved. or its starting to sound like you all would rather have the fence close to the river on damn near the most commercially ran stretch in the us. fences in the water on commercial strectch= no bueno. so say if you are paddling don't touch the river bed and get stuck in the fence... i would sue for gross neglect.
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Old 04-30-2009   #8
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Unfortunately I doubt the land owner will care. I had a run in with him last year when I was running down stream chasing a swimmer, trying to get him a rope. The ever so polite land own didn't care about the safety and health of my friend that was swimminig solo with no help other than me in freezing water. I got the impression he'd charge a dead body with trespassing right along with a live one. Which is unfortunate that he's that much of a prick, but oh well.
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Old 04-30-2009   #9
zipbak

Profile:  Buena Vista, Colorado
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Clarification:
the fence is high and dry--in no way a hazard or impediment to boating
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Old 04-30-2009   #10
marko

Profile:  Denver, Colorado
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I had an unfortunate feeling about this guy last year. The first thing he did before he even built the house was post about 10 no trespassing signs all over his property.

Unfortunately, I think the river left scout is finished. However, there are a few small river right eddies before the main drop and after the bridge and you might be able to get out of your boat and check it out from there -- keep in mind that this is also private property. You can also boat scout the majority of the rapid (or at least scout enough to find the next eddy) at the absolute last river right eddy (fits about 2, maybe 3 boats) before the main drop. These options may be a touch more difficult for less experienced class 4 boaters, but it's an option that the new douche-bag owner can't do anything about.
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