It seems some are over reacting here. The main guts of 5 are easily viewable from the road. Take a glance while placing your shuttle. Otherwise, as always, boat scout it as you eddy hop or read it as you run. The combination of road and boat scout seems entirely sufficient for this rapid. There should be no need to be out on his land to scout. As likely as it is that some building, Army Corp, and EPA codes are violated by this guys septic system, those are separate issues from anyone feeling a need to enjoy the use of his property. Scout from the road and eddies.
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Why don't we get a few young, well-spoken dudes (or especially a hot chica) to stop by there every once in a while to ask what their policy is, and if it's 'no-scouting' then we try to have a discussion about the interests of safety and see if some give can't be achieved with some accommodations to their needs?
I'll volunteer to knock on the door.
And once we have a dialogue, post the results to the Buzz (and if it's a negative result to scouting, don't characterize the people as jerks).
I portaged 5 river left about 2 weeks ago (was having a "tippy" kind of day). There was certainly no fence.
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Good for you RDNEK. I appreciate your efforts. I'm boating # today and I'll see if anyone's home too. Happy May, we're over 500 cfs and from the sound of things on this bizarre thread, there are a lot of boaters who need something to do. See ya out there.
When I took somebody through for the first time (low water) we always stopped on river left and ate a snack and got a drink while discussing thier options on where to run. Sure its read and run but a first timer likes the option to have a look.
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We ran Numbers yesterday (Sunday 5/3/09). I didn't see any signs at river level on the left. All seemed the same as in prior seasons except the portage path at river level has wood and stones to discourage portaging there. We had a larger group and most just ran it. I stopped with the two first timers on the left and the three of us took a quick look at the whole drop from river level as it is hard to connect the pieces scouting from behind the fence. The house is barely visible from the scouting points at river level.
There was a truck in the driveway, but the gate was closed. We didn't stop to chat.
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they do not have any water rights, so as long as you are floating you are not trespassing
Whether the landowner has water rights is totally irrelevant to the issue of trespassing or floating over/through their property.
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