Originally Posted by FrankC
Short history lesson: Most of the Dems originally wanted to go with Single Payer or a Public Option but instead they caved in over and over until all we have now is the Republican invented Obamacare (or Romneycare) or whatever you want to call it. The whole thing is a big compromise that will need to be massively tweaked over and over but it is better than nothing.
Personally I would like to have seen a Single Payer plan like they have (and love) in Canada. That plan actually works. Everybody is covered, they pay about half what we do and the employers aren't saddled with paying health care for employees.
That's how I remember it too. we dummycrats wanted single payer but in a grand gesture to be bipartisan, obama adopeted the Heritage Foundation's model that had been implemented in massachusetts with great fanfare as the republican alternative to "socialized medicine" - the private insurance mandate, aka Romneycare. then the republicans all voted no on it since it was what obama was offering them, even though it had been the cornerstone of every conservative healthcare plan alternative to single-payer for over a decade. this was after the republicans made a bunch of amendments to the bill that they liked. then the republicans kept moving the goalposts, romney campaigned against the health care system he'd been so proud of in one of the most surreal themes of the campaign in 2012, and the american people voted for obama by a 5 million vote majority.
dummycrats is a pretty good name, because obama kept making concessions and every time he did, the republicans kept moving the goalposts further away. or you could use the analogy of lucy holding the football for charlie brown to kick. thats how we got sequestration too.
the reason this is an issue, when so many more people voted for obama than romney, who's campaign had a central tenant of repealing obamacare, is that over the past decade republicans have been busy in state legislatures gerrymandering congressional districts so they hold such a majority in the house now that its going to take radical change in the electorate to throw them out of the safe seats theyve made for themselves. that and any 'moderate' republicans have been run out of town on a rail by the no compromise tea party folks.
now they're willing to go to the mat and shut down the government over it. i wonder what the grownups in the pragmatic business community will do to the 'party of business' if they go for it and the market drops a grand or two in the next few days...
yeah, its a bucket of shit. bummer for folks with permits on federal lands. but it'll be a bigger bucket of shit for the military service wives who cant get the foodstamps they need to buy groceries on base.
and the teabaggers seem to think that any tax money just goes into a black hole and disappear for good. uh, it happens to go right back into the economy paving roads, paying servicemen, educating kids, making sure we have clean water to drink, paying a ton of people to do work that may not be glamorous but that is necessary if you don't want to live in a society like somalia.
its the tax breaks for the rich folks that goes into a black hole - like a cayman islands bank account. when's that $$ going to start trickling down? been waiting for 3 decades and still haven't seen it yet...
maybe cisco to moab will be boatable.