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Old 02-11-2012   #1
 
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Dam proposal for the Upper Green in WY

Another notice that should be of interest to the Buzzards, thanks again to Tubby over at UtahRafters and Herm Hoops.


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Green River dam up for vote
By Angus M. Thuermer Jr., Jackson Hole, Wyo.
November 4, 2010

The staff of the Wyoming Water Development Office is recommending rejection of a request for $750,000 to start work on a dam on the Green River just upstream of the Warren Bridge.

The Wyoming Water Development Commission and Legislature's Selective Water Committee meet in Casper today and Friday to consider the request. Sublette County commissioners are asking for the money to drill core samples at the proposed dam site and in proposed borrow areas, to make an aerial survey, design a dam, evaluate hydropower potential and evaluate canals to distribute water.

The dam would be located at a terrain feature known as "The Narrows," a mile northeast of the Highway 191 bridge over the Green. The BLM site 40 miles southeast of Jackson is popular with anglers and hunters and is in the migration path of the Grand Teton National Park pronghorn herd, which makes what biologists say is the second longest terrestrial migration in the Western Hemisphere.

While the recommendation from staff is "Do not fund," a summary of the Sublette request suggests the joint board has an option.

"If the Commission determines that additional study is needed, a budget of $250,000 could be recommended to complete a preliminary design and cost estimate with an independent fatal flaw analysis to determine if additional investments in the project are warranted," a staff report says.

The commission is expected to vote on the issue Friday at the Oil and Gas Conservation building in Casper. Teton County resident Bill Resor sits on the commission and Wilson Rep. Jim Roscoe is a member of the select water committee.

The commission will vote on the project twice, once on Friday and once in December. The December vote will finalize the funding bill that will be sent to the Legislature in January.

Those wishing to comment can attend the meeting or e-mail staff or commission members, deputy office director John Wade said Wednesday in a telephone interview from Casper. While there is no e-mail address listed for Resor on the department's website, Wade said e-mails to him at jwade@state.wy.us or to director Mike Purcell at mpurce@state.wy.us would be forwarded to commission members.

"We want to hear from anybody," Wade said.

The Sublette request, backed by petitions, comes despite repeated studies, the latest in 2007, that have rejected a dam on the main stem of the Green River in favor of smaller water projects on tributaries.

"Water from reservoirs in the proposed project area would require extensive conveyance systems to deliver the stored water to the west side of the Upper Green River Basin, would have significant environmental permitting challenges, would impact permitted in-stream flow water rights and would be very expensive," the staff report says.

The staff report lists the benefits Sublette County commissioners see in the project. Those include "irrigation, flood control, aquifer recharge, water storage, tourism, recreation, boating, camping, fishery, wildlife preserve, future agricultural, municipal, industrial uses and a renewable, very clean alternative electric energy," the staff report states.

Sublette commissioners believe storing water behind a dam also would protect Wyoming's water rights, the report says. But the staff at the water development office said more feasible storage options are available and also discounted the potential for losing water rights.

The report says the 2007 study — a white paper reviewing previous research on a Green River dam — conservatively estimated the cost at $45.5 million for an 77,000 acre-foot reservoir, not counting canals and tunnels. It would provide "limited benefit" to irrigators, the report says.
C0nstruction would inundate the commission's instream flow water right on the Green River, the report says. For the project to proceed, it would have to be state sponsored due to cost and the limited ability for irrigators to pay.
"There is interest in the project as demonstrated by the willingness of the Sublette County commissioners to sponsor the study and the petitions provided with the application," the report says. "In order to achieve the necessary federal clearances, there needs to be unified support for the project. This unified support is unlikely given the impacts to the instream flow water right and other environmental impacts of the proposed dam, canals, and tunnels."

"The federal agencies will not allow the construction of a dam and reservoir for future, undefined use," the report continues. "If we establish there is a need for the water, we will have to verify that the project is the least environmental damaging practical alternative to meet that need, while considering cost, technical feasibility and logistics. We will need to mitigate impacts to wetlands, fisheries and wildlife, which will add considerable costs to the project."

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The article is from 2010. As I recall, this never made it out of committee last year in the Wyoming Legislature. I do expect that Sublette County will someday make a push for smaller water storage projects on some tributaries flowing out of the Wyoming Range, but the mainstem of the Green River is pretty safe for now.
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The article is from 2010. As I recall, this never made it out of committee last year in the Wyoming Legislature. I do expect that Sublette County will someday make a push for smaller water storage projects on some tributaries flowing out of the Wyoming Range, but the mainstem of the Green River is pretty safe for now.
You are correct sir. I used to work as a reporter at the local newspaper there. If you saw the clowns who supported the dam, you would laugh the same way the water development commission laughed when this cockamamie proposal was first presented. One of the main proponents, a person who was on the water development commission, was a guy named Dan Bud. He wanted the State of Wyoming and Federal government to pay for a $750 million canal to deliver water 55 miles over uneven terrain to his ranch so he can irrigate 100 more acres of "pastureland." Of course, he couldn't pay for it, but he thought it was a good idea of the rest of the world to subsidize his delusions of grandeur.
This is worth keeping an eye on. It could come back up. Stupidity runs rampant among Wyoming politics.
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Hey Farp, are you saying there are other forms of welfare? Its not welfare if its not in the form of food stamps and subsidized housing right?
Thanks for posting that. People need to see the hidden hypocrisy that can sometimes surround these projects. I need a better lawn, so can everybody pay for an automatic sprinkling system for me? I will make sure to overwater so I don't lose the water rights that I may have.

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To paraphrase the late Marc Reisner, "Water policy in the West has led to a system where we subsidize dams that flood the most fertile bottom land so farmers can irrigate marginal scrubland to grow crops with government subsidized water that the government is paying farmers in the east not to grow."
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Here's the dam's top proponent in writing. It's a letter to the editor he wrote last week. This clown walks around town with a gun shoved in his pants (the only violence in Pinedale, WY [where people don't lock their front doors] is suicide by firearm). He actually twiterpates the Sublette County Commissioners into advocating for the dam -- as if billions of dollars of natural gas production isn't enough.
Enjoy -- if you can understand it.
Posted: Monday, Feb 13th, 2012
BY: A.L. Radke

Who else has gripes about government waster? No grins for that!?! Our green forests are turning orange from uncontrolled, un-eradicated “bugs” which kill each and adjacent trees, progressively! Why do we tolerate the “Yankee-DC Bureauc-rats excuse that allows such waste under their premise “it’s natural”; what happened to mottos – “Preserve and Protect” our national forests; was “Smokey Bear” shot, letting firs continue to waste forest resources; does the “Fed-EPA” participate by preventing our Forest Service from using “bug killer” and fire suppression materials (retardants, not propellants)!??! There are aircraft equipped for fighting such matters.

Why not let logging companies/ Forest Service contractors cut out all trees showing signs of such infestations (“natural,” of course!) by either selective or clear cutting (most of our trees are dead anyway – some just don’t know it yet!); burn the slash (“bug” larvae/eggs and fungi); sell the logs to pay costs (“worm wood”/discoloration brings higher prices); and eventually, we will need the building materials. Apply such salvage/recovery to areas of size large enough to be economic, and plan to come back – more “bug” killed trees will show up again (don’t destroy access roads, we will need them again too)!!

“Wilderness” areas – “lordy, lordy” what to do – the trees will die too and propagate infestations to adjacent areas!

All, if nothing continues to be done before it’s too late for the trees (which eat CO2 and generate clean 02)! Maybe, our fall elections will start to clean house if the “top” inefficiencies, changing some of their “crappy” policies/practices…

Note: “Our” and “we” emphasize team actions; “we” happened before the “Me generation up-turned the “W”!

And I still don’t speak political correctly (and/or won’t).



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You can bet this guy is an anti-tax, anti-government Republican whose whole life is subsidized by the govt.



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Here's the dam's top proponent in writing. It's a letter to the editor he wrote last week. This clown walks around town with a gun shoved in his pants (the only violence in Pinedale, WY [where people don't lock their front doors] is suicide by firearm). He actually twiterpates the Sublette County Commissioners into advocating for the dam -- as if billions of dollars of natural gas production isn't enough.
Enjoy -- if you can understand it.
Posted: Monday, Feb 13th, 2012
BY: A.L. Radke

Who else has gripes about government waster? No grins for that!?! Our green forests are turning orange from uncontrolled, un-eradicated “bugs” which kill each and adjacent trees, progressively! Why do we tolerate the “Yankee-DC Bureauc-rats excuse that allows such waste under their premise “it’s natural”; what happened to mottos – “Preserve and Protect” our national forests; was “Smokey Bear” shot, letting firs continue to waste forest resources; does the “Fed-EPA” participate by preventing our Forest Service from using “bug killer” and fire suppression materials (retardants, not propellants)!??! There are aircraft equipped for fighting such matters.

Why not let logging companies/ Forest Service contractors cut out all trees showing signs of such infestations (“natural,” of course!) by either selective or clear cutting (most of our trees are dead anyway – some just don’t know it yet!); burn the slash (“bug” larvae/eggs and fungi); sell the logs to pay costs (“worm wood”/discoloration brings higher prices); and eventually, we will need the building materials. Apply such salvage/recovery to areas of size large enough to be economic, and plan to come back – more “bug” killed trees will show up again (don’t destroy access roads, we will need them again too)!!

“Wilderness” areas – “lordy, lordy” what to do – the trees will die too and propagate infestations to adjacent areas!

All, if nothing continues to be done before it’s too late for the trees (which eat CO2 and generate clean 02)! Maybe, our fall elections will start to clean house if the “top” inefficiencies, changing some of their “crappy” policies/practices…

Note: “Our” and “we” emphasize team actions; “we” happened before the “Me generation up-turned the “W”!

And I still don’t speak political correctly (and/or won’t).



A.L. Radke,

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Here's the link in case you think I'm making it up.
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