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Old 02-19-2004   #11
 
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Hyde?! I'm suprised by your post. ALP is a very, very bad thing any way you look at it. That water takes away from the Big Kahuna. I want to go surfing. Screw them!
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well....

me has Ute in the blood on the paternal's maternal side... I'm really kinda torn on it
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Old 03-09-2004   #13
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Yes they are working on the project but don't be scared into not coming and playing on the Animas River. We are going to have a banner runoff year! So far the bulldozers are not in the river bed so it should be safe enough...
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Sorry, I agree with Aaron. I have had a very poor impression of what the ALP stands for but that does not give me the right to stereotype.
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I think the reason for the project was for the contracts to build the thing. It has nothing to do with water rights! That was only the shell part of the game. I bet if you could see who got the contracts to move the pipelines (yes there were miles of pipelines through the future lake bed) and build the pump station and the damn you would see who really pushed the project. follow the money
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cosurfgod & jr

are you guys for real? your arguments and logic are terrible. "its a very very bad thing" and a conspiracy theory. Hey I'm convinced you're on to something . . . wait no I'm not.

read ANU's comments above about the ALP project and respond intelligently

your comments are so ridiculuos I have to wonder if I am being baited ??
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jr. your probably right but don't listen to everything that G. William Domhoff has to say ("Who Rules America?"). And the money is not on the scale of an alaskan pipeline (oil) but it may be significant in your local area.

cosurfgod you managed to lose a lot of respect from me. that was possibly the dumbest thing i've ever heard on the buzz. your contributions have been positive in the past but you definitely crossed a line of ignorance. i bet your parents payed for your college degree (if you have one) yet didn't teach you anything. read louis owens or n. scott momaday. maybe even some edward abbey. wow

everyone else one the buzz---please don't listen to cosurfwhatever on this issue. make your own decision based on intelligent arguments. I don't know anything about the particular project being discussed but the politics behind it are more than just local.

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check your factoids first before totally dissing the A/LP

I learned a few details about A/LP this passt Saturday while running the river with someone who knows a things or two about the project. While I can't speak to the issue on the what impact the dam will have, I can say that the wildlife will adjust, and in fact even thrive around the manmade lake to some point or another.

In so far as the impact to river outfitters, kayakers, etc. the Bureau of Reclaimation can only take so much water. The amount of water they can take is dependent upon the level of the river. It was pointed out to me that the maximum they can take is 250 cfs, and only when the river is running at 3,000 cfs. That's hardly an impact on the river flow. As far as the 'Gold Medal' fishing impact, they have a fish trap/seperator that rejects the fish and forces them back into the river should the swim the wrong way. Not sure how it works, but I do recall seeing one on the Discovery Channel for somewhere along the Columbia River. So I do not see the arguement that we're not going to have our usual great fishing.

The positive notes for this project are that it has created a bunch of jobs, many of which will be on-going for years to come. This is something those of you that live in the Durango area should understand, especially those of you that have to make do with crappy jobs @ $10.00 an hour that may or may not be seasonal. Next, it does allow for the storage of a precious commodity called water, for whatever end-use intended. Water is a good thing to have in this arid part of the world. I don't know how many of you have seen the results of the fires from the air, but I can tell you I have. I flew over the top last summer in a 172SP, it was an awful sight to see the burns through the haze of smoke from fires that were burning somewhere.

All in all, the Mulies and Elk will be fine and adjust the feeding grounds and habitat accordingly. They have been adjusting to man's incursions for millenia. The fish will still breed and spawn in the rivers and lakes, and still manage to find their way onto a hook, then into a frying pan. There will be years when the boating is great and years when it is not. The Animas will keep on flowing regardless of what we do. A/LP may have some negative impact, but in the long run, both nature and man will adjust to it.

If you really want to help your environment, do the little things in your personal life that will actually make a difference. Use compact Fluorescent lighting, a low-volume toilet, xerascape your yard with native plants, use biodegradable soaps, turn your thermostat down to 60 or 65 at night, think about investing into solar and photovoltaic energy for your home, make a composting box and stop inundating the landfills compostable trash, and stop along the highway and pick up the trash you see laying there.

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