come on! down climbing? i was once told that you could crawl under it now.... do yo really need to rap? or do climbers do it for ease? Yes, i do like the idea of you eliminating some gear....look at the eddy we need to get.... it goes at low flows.. i don't know if you can paddle back upstream, once we've climbed,... to get to a point were we could safely ferry back to river right.. look at it....we ran the BLACK last year Nov. 22nd... the road to the put-in closes due to rock fall shortly after that.. maybe earlier this year because of all the rain... on sat i noticed a large amount of rockfall on the road... this was freakin' my shit when i came down it, at night, on a bicycle, in the rain with my little ZIPKA reading headlamp....visions of "FACE PLANTS" troubled me on my descent.....all went well though....just to let you know....if you stay on the path(like a true pilgrim) warner isn't that bad....river to bike in 2hrs 15 mins.......we can do it!