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Old 03-02-2013   #1
Salida, Colorado
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Need Salt info

We have a Grand put on March 18 and were thinking of getting in a few warm up kayak runs on the Salt day section beforehand. What is the minimum water we need to run that section?

I've read we put in where the 60 crosses the river - how far down is the takeout?

Appreciate any other general info.


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Old 03-02-2013   #2
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Sounds fun! You can boat it at low flows but to me it's not worth the wear and tear on gear. It's fine above 700 and you may see that if it stays warm and runoff starts. You can take out at the second campground, Cibecue Creek, and a couple of places past Cibecue if your vehicle can ford the creek. Check for a basic map.

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Old 03-02-2013   #3
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Take out at Cibeque, but play in the hole on left just a bit below where the road crosses the creek! Worth the short portage back to the vehicle!
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Old 03-03-2013   #4
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The full day stretch is about eleven river miles. The take out is named hoodoo. The problem with early trips is either Cibecue creek can be running and not easily crossed by vehicle or sometimes the road has run off damage and the tribe can be slow in clearing it. I agree that 700 is good flow for kayaks and minimal for rafts.
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Old 03-03-2013   #5
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Workn the system

OK, depending on your idea of warm up? Here's an option.

Surf city options:

OVerboard Rodeo

Just after OVERBOARD Rapid there's a hole that just so happens to be a crazy rodeo surf o rama. Not the perfect surfledge professionally manicured by BV's finest but probably a big rock after a short constriction that creates a bumpy surforama funfest for arizonans with surf 1 out of 3 years.

Plus: It will be challenging to continually surf this little steep grabby hole and catch eddie at most water levels above 700 cfs so you will have fun and earn your burger

Dis: You will have to travel all the way around the horn committing yourself to a longish run of downriver yawners if you are currently running class IV. First time will be beautiful nonetheless, awesome incredible canyon Animas Day Run Feel with the yahoos and Hoohaws like Meeee

Exhibition Wavetrain

If you want to forego the long reach around you can drive to commie beach(Camp 2?) and putin for a short but lively wavetrain down exhibition rapid.

Adv: small Surf wave directly after rapid with eddy service on RL for surfing only

Dis: Mostly surfing only, and Commies

"Better than Sex WAVE" just past Cibeque

Adv: Surf wave grabby enough to flatspin

Dis: If folks are lining up at home for your girlfriend?, you might get a little nervous at this wave....just saying

Mescal Rapid

Mescal hole, wave whatever any champ or chump(yo) wants to call it

Adv: Sticky

Dis: Sticky

After Mescal Wave, The Beautiful Wave

Adv: A great Wave to surf, Surf from upper eddie back on to upper eddie

Dis: You will have to catch the eddy(easy) if you blow off, pull yourself upstream over the rock RR while staying in your kayak( low water dif, easy med, high water dif) to jump back on wave

Ledges Rapid

If you are committed to drive a truck down through Cibeque and can realize where it is illegal to park and not park, and work the ledges rapid(NEED FURTHER otra OFFICAL INSTRUCTION HERE) you will find a series of 8 perfect standing waves in a park generally commie free, wilderness characteristics, and sacreditity garnishing some type of ban on folks that are searching the sacred of "the perfect surf in the land of the sacred of the area where no one resides". In short this place is killer for simple surfing. The RESTRICTIONS ARE RIDICULOUS, and I don't know the stupid ends and outs of the dipshitidy of this area. All I know is that you can surf for hours!! So........have fun, surf Indian Style, Asian style, Rainbow style, etc. but keep it legal, or else dipshit!

The Few the Proud, Oh wait I feel like I'm in Russia...Oh wait these area in Russia are abandoned and not regulated,free to roam, so the commies may be questionablly be freer than us?? Anyone been to Russia?

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Old 03-03-2013   #6
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TONTO CREEK IF It's 2K or less. A gem. Verde River like for 2 miles or so. THen it bottlenecks into a beautiful Salt like bitchin creek run. Of course you should be warned at 2,000 or higher because someone died running it at 20,000, but when you are on it that seem like a good number. Future folks will confirm that?? A 14 footer will just squeeze through a couple of places. so highwater might be gnar.

But as for an easy shuttle, easy whitewater creek of a gem... up the ying, and down the yang... there is no question if you are in a holding pattern for the grand and this creek is up above 500 you will need to run down and pack this into your panties for safe keeping
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Old 03-04-2013   #7
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What Bandito ^^^^^ said Ledges is heaven but getting back upstream to a vehicle would kinda suck. The waves below Exhibition are heaven. So is the hole below Cibecue. The Salt River Draw hole is dumbass.
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Old 03-04-2013   #8
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Tonto Creek if its running

The cool thing about Tonto creek is the ease of shuttle and incredible drive, if I were in Flagstaff the day before I'd run this gem.

From Flagstaff you will drive south down Lake Mary road about 45 minutes through an incredible forest. In a couple of spots it seems you can almost see to New Mexico across the tree tops. The drive goes right across the Rim country and you can see the conditions of the snow melt, snowpack etc on your way. In 45 minutes you will peak out of the Rim at Strawberry and pass many creek options. East Verde, Christopher Creek, Fossil Creek on the way to Tonto only 15 minutes south of Payson. You will have to check your own abilities for any one of these but for an incredible little gem(CLass III) of a river with an easy shuttle, and EZ return to Flagstgaff-- run south through Payson, and turn as if you were going to Roosevelt Lake. At Pumpkin Center(Jakes Corner), take the dirt road across the bar and run it a few miles to Rye Creek. Look off to the east you will see the tonto. Just before the creek take the right turn and park at the cattle guard. Walk down to rye creek and run it 1/4 mile to Tonto(prolly best to be above 400 cfs). To shuttle your car just run 10 miles or so down to where the creek pops out of the Canyon on your left. Take the first dirt road and park your car wherever you feel comfortable. Word to the wise, the ranch just downstream of the takeout on the left has some gun crazy folks, I'd stay off their road The No Trespassing signs are for real! Also, the cops in the Roosevelt area are lame, know your rights.

A couple of miles of Verdesque River and then the canyon narrows up into this incredibly beautiful tight gorge. Class III and Beautiful Creeking Not sure how the AW write up got so screwed up, but Rye Creek to Tonto Creek Run is not class V under 2K(that's the Hells Gate Section). It probably should have two different writeups. (1) Upper Tonto Hells Gate section, and (2) Tonto Creek-- Rye Creek to Gun Creek


Flip flop weather in Flagstaff this morning! It won't be long
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