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Old 04-27-2011   #1
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Middle Fork of the Salmon

Anyone interested in the middle fork of the Salmon float trip? I got a post season trip planned and would like to get another raft and a few kayakers in on the trip. The launch date is May 11 we will be running down Marsh Creek for 6 miles then dump into the salmon! We take out on the 15 of may. As of now it's a small group I would like to add some more folks to the trip to add to the excitement! If this sounds interesting give me a buzz and I will fill you in at 970-488-9454 or email me.

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Old 04-27-2011   #2
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Tyler - have you ever done this before? This is much more of an expedition than you might think. If you have and know what you are doing and have an experienced crew then carry on.

If you have not then I wouldn't advise randomly inviting people to join you on what may very well turn into a shitshow. Sorry if that sounds harsh but far more people have died on the Marsh Creek to Dagger 14 miles than the rest of the Middle Fork combined.

The class of water is not the issue as much as the continuous nature of the run. Tight, braided channels and possibilities for logs across the river and at oh....about a 1,000 different places.

That's all.

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Old 04-27-2011   #3
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I haven't seen a good shitshow since they cancelled mcGyver. An early peak caused by some warm weather and rain around that time and you got carnagefest 2011. Tie your boats off well so they are still there in the am

Better way to enjoy it is part of an organized trip at good mid summer flow. You may have to find a fleet of cars that need waxing to be allowed on one but much better than being responsible for loss of someone else's life
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Old 04-27-2011   #4
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That called a PRE season float. You might not even be able to get to the put in this May 11th. It just keeps on snowing and I don't know when the road is will get cleared. I have seen that road closed until June before. This could be one of those years. Were having a long cold rainy/snowy spring. Just a thought. I just don't see that road getting cleared in the next two weeks. And the river is at 1000 cfs. It should be at 2K right now. nothing melting...
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Old 04-27-2011   #5
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Bet she be cookin' by June11th!!!
"Each mile on a river will take you further from home than a hundred miles on a road"
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Old 04-27-2011   #6
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You said it, Keith. Will be two days behind you, launching the 13th. If it doesn't stop snowing and doesn't warm up for another couple weeks, June is gonna be exciting in there.

Tyler: Marsh Creek down, on May 11, could be one cold, snowy, highwater trip........ I'd want people I knew and trusted, not some random group thrown together online.
So many rivers, so little time..........
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Old 04-27-2011   #7
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You may also be the first down Marsh for the season. There may be snow bridges, log jams, etc. Plus the much appreciated fish trap 1.5 miles below the put in.
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Old 04-28-2011   #8
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OP is a troll. Sounding like he doesn't know what's up and then sending me sarcastic nastygrams.

This ship of fools will sail without anymore input from me.
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Old 04-28-2011   #9
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The fish trap is posted and the forest service is apparently going to be moved to one side of Marsh making it easier to pass. For all you others boaters that are planning a trip. The HWY is open making it to Marsh creek is doable... thanks for the input..
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Old 04-28-2011   #10
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I don't think the replies are meant to be mean. It is a serious bit of floating. If you are up for an adventure then have fun.
I regularly solo the MF in August - no big deal. Being the first trip down of the year has inherent danger. Good luck.

To maximize you chances of success: You should probably join the idahowhitewater yahoo group. lots of good info and usually reports from locals on conditions/hazards/early attempts.

Here's a post from 2008:
Note in 2008 there was 24 inches of water in the snowpack. this year there is 36 or something like that.

> >Our group put in at Marsh on Friday March 23red, took off at Carrey
> Creek on Friday the 30th. Great trip. Kinda rainy several days.
> We also had our adventures in Velvet. I have run it high many times
> and always looked over and was glad I wasn't in that nasty looking
> trench. This time I got to experience Velvet's violence.
> I got to close to the rock and it pinned my oar so I couldn't get my
> angle. Knowing I was doomed I lined up backwards and stroked with
> my might into the hole - thinking that I didn't have much chance
> a small cat in that hole. I was right. The flip instantly stripped
> both oars out of my hands and slammed me on the upstream wall of the
> hole with enough power to knock the air out of me. Spent some time
> the bottom - enough time for three boats to get through the rapid.
> think it was really really violent down there - kinda dark also.
> I popped up I was really glad to get a breath of air.
> While I was down under my 12.5 ft elf shoe was apparently giving
> a show; doing flips, pirouettes, and skittering back and forth in
> trench. Janice Delaney missed the pull also and as she went through
> the hole my boat flipped up onto the front of her cat and she was
> to deliver my boat to me up right - what a crew. With my boat out
> the hole the group was looking around for me when I bobbed to the
> surface. Rescue was prompt and we proceeded to have a great trip.
> > Just got off the SF at 6'. About 30-45 minutes from put in at
> > Marsh Bridge the river splits into 2 channels. The one on the
> > has large tree with large branches going down into the water. Do
> > take this, it is impassible and the one on the right has a log
> > away across the channel & at 6' the water is barely going over
> > Stay left in this channel. There were a couple of rafts that
> > the bottoms going over it.
> > Dagger was the easiest of all rapids to run, quick run down left
> > Velvet at 6' flips about 2 out of 4. If you can pull left which
> > nearly impossible you will be out of danger. Our 1st raft
> > make the left and got flipped and the boater got his life jacket
> > snagged under the tube on the frame and had to be cut loose by
> > passenger which saved his life & normally he rides alone. He
> > with in inches and seconds of drowning. I was behind him and &
> > couldn't make the left side & ended going right down the middle
> > my 16' cat. I made it to the top & was sucked back down & caught
> > good push and made it over the top & was able to pull the
> > onto my boat & catch his upside down raft. The guy behind me was
> > thrown clear of his 16' cat & was able to swim to shore where the
> > passenger of the first raft was able to help him to shore. His
> > ended up 20 miles down river near Thompson creek, it never
> > Our fourth raft was able to make the left side with the help of
> > paddlers and he picked up the 2 on shore. It took a Z drag to
> > the raft back over & just before dark we went through Power House
> > camped just around the corner.
> > A lady in another party was thrown off & while under the raft was
> > in the eye with something & cut it pretty bad. I saw her at
> > Creek & she was black and blue across the eyes & nose.
> > Take extra oars & locks, lots of boater were losing or breaking
> > theirs.

Here's a blog entry from a guy who ran an early season packraft trip.

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