Originally Posted by whitewaterboy307
We were going to do a Charter Bus which was 8,000.00 from Rock Springs to the Put in and Take out. I am guessing now with everyone taking their own vehicle and putting miles, wear and tear on it... paying the $400.00 to have it shuttled we are looking at 400.00ish per person... which does included an executive chef preparing steak, shrimp, cheesecake etc
It would seem like you got the cart before you had the horses ( people who need a shuttle ). Looks like Casper to put in is well over 600 miles and I don't envy you that drive. To add in almost half your budget on getting to the river and back without disclosing that expense is a little bit weird. Being serious here - do you expect the guy who lives in Idaho to help pay for you to get to the river? It kind of seems like it. I looked at some of your posts and it didn't seem like you were a commercial troll but nothing about this made any sense. If I hadn't seen the posts about Boy Scouts on the river and such I would have been a lot more harsh.
I do one or two private trips a year and since I am hard after cancellations it is often me putting the trips together. Typically the "trip" does not pay for everyone to get to the river. I do the best shuttle for the group and there are many options. Caldwell Transportation does bus and trailer shuttles for us within Idaho and that has been a great resource for me to lower trip costs. You should be able to get your cars from Corn Creek to Salmon and do the bus back from Riggins (whatever takeout upstream only varies the cost a bit) for around $2k depending on how many cars you have. And that's a fat tip for the driver too. Jetback will double that.
Someone else does van shuttles with a trailer and then there are individual car shuttles. These details should be worked out after you get your trip put together, not before. I guess you assumed that 20 or 25 people would want to from Casper or close and that didn't quite work out.
Don't be afraid to present options to your group but times are tight and I am not going to double my trip costs ( and eliminate a lot of my dirt bag friends of which I am the king) to make my drive to the river easier. Just food for thought.
Originally Posted by whitewaterboy307
We do eat very very well. However, yes this is my first trip being the permit holder and I am guessing a little high. I would rather come in high and say I only need $300.00 or so then to figure it at $250.00 and then need $400.00
I welcome help and suggestions - what I do not welcome is smart ass answers and people sticking their nose in places it should not be. I have been on many permited trips and have never ever made a profit on them nor do I intend to. Again, I am new at trying to get everything lined up and such.
In reference to the food - All the trips we do are cost share and work share. You mentioned food being prepared by an executive chef. Not sure where that quite fits into that, other than I feel sorry for the poor bastard who has to cook every meal on the river. Since I do the menu planning I am more involved than I like in almost every meal, but even with that there are several meals where I don't have to lift a finger. That is the way it should be.
For the MF Salmon I have been putting together some pretty damn deluxe menus for $200 per person for six days. I budget $75 per trip per person for shuttle and and another $24 for USFS fees. Add in another $7 per boat for the Invasive tag and $300 is just about right. Unless you are just wasteful you can eat like kings for $30 a day. We do NY steaks, prime rib, grilled salmon and shrimp and all kinds of good stuff too. That also covers the charcoal and the cost of the propane for whoever brings the stove and the blaster.
If you are not familiar with spread sheets they are a great tool to help plan a river trip. I do rough numbers to calculate the food. And then add a multiplier or just do a rough guess per each category of item.
It works. Also gives me a check list that I can hand to others and say go get Day 3.
So it is good to not be left short at the end. But don't go crazy you will scare people off. I know the shuttles can be more for the Main. Do the math and you can get really close and have $300 to $400 left over for contingencies. If you couldn't tell the Buzzards have a very low tolerance for commercial ( appearing if not reality) tomfoolery.