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Old 02-27-2011   #1
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Groover use

Just got word that we were selected fro a May 2012 GC trip. Never too early to start planning. I searched the forums but could not find any info about how many groovers to take(16 days, 16 people)

Did a Salt trip last year which was my first multiday trip. We used slightly less that 1 groover(size that fits snuggly in a rocket box) for 12 people for 5 days--does this seen typical for groover use?
If I crunch the numbers using the Salt R use then I'd expect to need 5 groovers for the 16-16 GC trip. How does that sound to you GC veterans?


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Old 02-27-2011   #2
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I believe the eco-safe (the one that slides in a rocket box as you described) is rated for 50 uses. so you got slightly more but that's one thing where you definitely don't want to run out of room on. so being conservative with 5 groovers that's 250 uses, right about where you want to be. (depending on how many mexican dinners you are eating of course....)

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Old 02-27-2011   #3
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We did 6 nights 16 people and completely filled two ecosafes. I feel so bad for my friend dan who had scat duty. When we drove by he was shaking one of them because there was no room for the scat nozzle.
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Old 02-27-2011   #4
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If you're using a 50 user day system, then 5 tanks = 250 uses. 16 people X 16 days = 256 uses. I'd bring an extra tank just in case. Factor in ..... mexican food, water quality, alcohol consumption, gastrointestinal upsets, more spicy food, more alcohol consumption.
Just my 2 cents, but I'd hate to run out of groover space on a 16 day trip.
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Old 02-27-2011   #5
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Osprey's math looks right to me, based on our experience with Eco-Safe. We got 130 user days into three Eco-Safe tanks with plenty of room to spare. You probably already know this, but be sure to instruct your party members not to pee in the groover--if they do, it'll fill up way too fast!
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Old 02-27-2011   #6
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I should have said that instead of implying...agree with cat-girl. take what you need and add one just in case if you can carry it. I too ran out of space on one trip in the last day or so, not cool.
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Old 02-27-2011   #7
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In addition to what Mogur said, peeing in the groover makes the smell a lot worse. Use a pee bucket and threaten everyone on the trip if they even think about peeing in the groover.
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Old 02-27-2011   #8
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Rent your groovers. You won't need to clean them. Works out pretty cheap. Take 6.
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Old 02-28-2011   #9
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Moenkopi told us our group of 16 should take seven groovers to be safe. Including cleaning we're paying well under $50 per person, $10 of which is for cleaning. So for $10 you can head home after your river trip, not into Meadview to see if the SCAT machine is working or not (often it isn't).

Moenkopi has been awesome for our rental company BTW. The best prices, and they love throwing in extras.
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A spare is is also important in case there is a failure of some sort with one.

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