Originally Posted by climbdenali
Em- I wouldn't say that "most" of the user days are commercial. At 103K non-commercial user days vs 114K commercial user days, that's not really that huge a difference- only 5% separate the numbers.
I'm not saying that I don't think there are still things that should change about the Grand and the way it's run (motors in a wilderness area is anathema), I'm just saying that we should give this plan more of a chance- get the waitlist folks all off and all our launch dates available before you complain too much. I think by the time the waitlist is gone, and we get some of the people down the grand who will only go once or twice in a lifetime, we'll see significant changes in how many people are applying and going, and we may be allowed to go more than once a year. I mean, really, how many people are capable and available to spend that much time away from work and on the river??
I'm also being realistic- we're never going to eliminate commercial outfitters or get them to give up summer launch dates, or get them to stop using motors. It's like Blago said, commercial launches are an "effing valuable thing, you just don't give it away for nothing."
Bingo. There will be issues like allowing repeat trips for winter boaters, reducing overflights, and others. Motors aren't going away and its going to be tough to get more allocation from the commercials.
The motors debate's flared up over on the GCPBA list for the last few days and here's an interesting post Dave Luinstra made regarding commercials and their motors:
Those of us with the time and equipment represent a minor percentage of the people in the country.
The National Park and the Colorado River belong to the citizens of this nation.
Everyone should have the privilege of seeing the Grand Canyon and Colorado
River. This means some people need shorter trips and more support than us.
Ask my mother and her sister about their Grand Canyon trip, at the age of 70 and 68, on a motorized commercial trip, you will need have several hours to listen their experience. Truly their trip of a life time.
I hope many more seniors have Grand Canyon memories to share with everyone who will listen.
The biggest threat to the Grand Canyon is 15 miles upstream of Lees Ferry.
While I'm not a fan of motors, one thing to bear in mind is that according to modeling done for the 2006 CRMP and folks' anecdotal experience, when a commercial motor trip overtakes you, they're part of your experience for about 15 - 20 minutes before you have the river to yourself again. When a commercial oar trip overtakes you (and they WILL overtake you because they're professional rowers on a tighter timeframe than most privates), they can be part of your experience for a couple of hours and actually diminish the solitude and wilderness experience.