After having a ton of fun reading this post today, I got ready to post, then realized it hadn't been touched in a week. I worked hard to let sleeping dogs lie, but after responding to someone at BoaterTalk who thought this thread was too harsh, I decided to share my thoughts here as well.
Here is what I've written there:
I can see where you're coming from about things getting a bit extreme on this topic over at the Buzz, and it might just be my love of sarcasm, science, and logic, and my disdain for religion generally, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. Some of it made me think, some of it made me laugh, and some of it got my blood pumping, but all of it was real!
Here's my personal highlight reel:
- Glenn had me rolling at the bottom of page 1
- Chepora laid it all out there at the top of page 3
- Mania makes his point well concerning belief with zero evidence - center of page 5
- Rivervibe wins for best image I've seen today - bottom of page 6
- BilloutWest thows a great Pat Robertson clip into the mix - center of page 7
It's been way too long that crazy-ass beliefs go unquestioned, especially when they are used to discriminate (or worse). I've always said that I wouldn't want to believe in a god who would refuse to let me (or others) into heaven due to a lack of worship, despite any/all good deeds done during one's lifetime. First of all, what kind of god cares about being worshipped by a bunch of humans, and what kind of god cares more about such adulation than the life one lived! Robertson's clip referenced above shows this mentality perfectly, but perhaps Galileo said it best: "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Of course there could always be a creator out there, but if the meddling god of the bible exists, he/she is seriously cruel for giving man a thinking mind, then laying down trick after trick (radiometric dating, geology, the fossil record, genetics/evolutionary relationships, etc., etc.) while also providing a complete lack of evidence, then punishing man for not believing. Sick. And the logic that the universe is too complex to NOT have a creator is complete fallacy - if a complex universe needs a creator, then that creator, necessarily being (more) complex, also, and BY THE SAME LOGIC, requires a creator, and thus we have a never-ending stream of creators, which gets us absolutely nowhere!
I was raised Catholic btw, and went to a parochial school through 8th grade, so I know the drill. I also believe a lot of the lessons I was taught (love your neighbor, etc.) are certainly admirable, I just don't need fairy tales and fear to convince me to be a good person.