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Old 03-06-2013   #1
Denver, Colorado
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Dinosaur Echo Park put in/take out scenario

I'll call the Dino River office at some point about this but just wondering...

Anyone ever take out/put in at Echo Park in recent times?

(My 1st trip was in 1974 with a launch at Echo and one night at Jones and another at Rainbow Park. Probably no permit needed back then (I was a little kid).)

Hypothetically, let's say that you have a Yampa launch date for mid- July but there is not enough water to float it in traditional style. You've paid your fees back in June and they are non-refundable. Could you launch at Echo Park on the day that you would have passed it coming down the Yampa on a good flow? (Let's say Day 4). Still camp 2 nights below Echo (because you've already been awarded the extended permit). So you do a bit of car-camping/exploring at Echo Park, then launch for a 2 night-three day trip on down to Split Mountain. You've already got the permit so what's the big deal?
Or, the other scenario is that you launch on your Yampa trip at way low water (IK,Canoe, etc) and plan on being in there for awhile because the water is so low and the trip length on your permit is for only 5 days. You might need to spend all 5 days getting through the Yampa and then forgetting about the 2 days to get down to Split Mtn take out.

I think I already know the answer but curious about any experiences the Buzzards might have had with these scenarios.


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Old 03-07-2013   #2
Canon City, Colorado
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I did a low water IK/Kayak trip a couple years ago. I'd figured 6 days from Deerlodge to Split Mt. takeout. Even at low flows (250-350cfs) we went twice our planned mileage the first day, and ended up with a layover day, and a day where we only went 3 miles. I had been down there as low as 800 in a raft, and before the low water trip figured we'd have to drag our duckies a bit. After having seen 250, I think I could have put a small, lightly loaded raft down with few problems.

Anyway, I know that wasn't the question, but there's my input.

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Old 03-07-2013   #3
park city, Utah
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I tried running your first scenario of putting in at echo by the river office and was told that is a no go.

I have pulled off your second scenario in a way. We dropped a few people off at echo who needed to get back for a wedding. They were just passengers so there was no need to de-rig anything. Not sure how the river office would feel about a whole group taking off at echo.
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Old 03-07-2013   #4
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Since you have a new Warm Springs to check out this year, I'd launch as permitted and be one of the first to report it. Pack light, you never know......
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Old 03-07-2013   #5
loveland, Colorado
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day run

As a side question with all the impressive fees required for just the day run, is it worth it thru split mountain?
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Old 03-07-2013   #6
Canon City, Colorado
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single day permit is only $20. if you're not driving from Denver it's a cool run. it's just too far for a day run from the front range.
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Old 03-07-2013   #7
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For what it is worth, in my opinion

That day run thru Split Mountain has the best rapids one after another on either Ladore or Yampa Multi day runs. Not that long time wise to run and shuttle is kinda long.

The only thing that takes away from the Split Mountain Run is that drive up to the put in needs a hi clearance vehicle or else a very good driver. I have seen a little sports type car parked at one of the pull outs so it can be done. That road also turns into grease like mud after a good rain storm. In a 4WD pickup it is not a problem. I think outfitters drive it in a schoolbus, but they have a lot of experience driving that road.

I live a day and a half drive from Deer Lodge put in but have often thought about just driving out and camping there at the nice camp grounds at the official take out for Split Mt and just doing multiple day runs.
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Old 03-09-2013   #8
Fort Collins, Colorado
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Restocking at Echo

I have a related question - we are going through Lodore in August, but in a combination of kayaks and duckies. Do you think it would be possible to leave a car at Echo with a kick-ass cooler and food in it to restock when we get there? Is there a place to park, or would we need to pay for a campsite?
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Old 03-09-2013   #9
Denver, Colorado
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forget the car- take a raft

Take a raft to carry that kick-ass cooler! No need to park a car at Echo Park. Long drive in there, plus shuttle logistics ($) and there's always enough water in Lodore for a raft.

Plus, if you camp at Jones, the creek will chill some beverages in no time.
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Old 03-10-2013   #10
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While that is certainly a good option, I think renting a raft and the logistics of getting a raft there would probably make the Echo option more affordable.

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