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Old 05-26-2005   #21
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The success rate for my combat roll is directly related to purely mental factors. Basically, if I flip at a rapid entrance or hit rocks or whatever, I'll bring my head up. I'll attempt two or three, then swim. I have a great roll, been boating for 4 years, but still swim WAY too much. I get really down on myself about it.
Oh, and I'm a girl. Hate to give credence to the stereotype, but maybe we just aren't as "mentally tough" about hanging in there and NOT swimming. And maybe we don't feel we have as much to prove. I know I'm going to get shit for this- but it seems a lot of these posts are from girls.
I'm a good paddler with fairly solid class III skills. My lack of a "bombproof" roll is preventing me from running harder stuff. And it frustrates me to no end. I'm sick of swimming. It's not cool, safe, or fun.
So... it's off to the playpark- to approach holes, giggle, and flip It's good to know I'm not alone anyway

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Old 05-26-2005   #22
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Thanks KSC for the advice.

I have tought myself everything so far - not easy to figure out how to roll when your teacher is your own ability to reason your way through what you have seen in a few extreme sports videos!

So, another question, what is "bracing"? And what is a good video to learn propper rolling technique?

Even though I have yet to visit the river, I imagine that those who are saying that a roll is imperative to kayaking are dead on. It sounds terrifying to go floating down a river in a big plastic boat that you are sealed into if you have no way to right yourself after you flip! Maybe it is not as bad as it sounds.... I'll guess I'll find out!

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Old 05-26-2005   #23
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My experience with learning to roll: One-On-One instruction is the way to go. (Inset plug for favorite instructor here)

Took a group roll class, and found it not very worthwhile. ( I guess some of us are not the fastest learners...) Went & got some one-on-one time with a good instructor & while I wore myself out learning to the point I never got a roll myself that night, learned enough to be rolling the next time out.

1-2 hours one on one is invaluable & WELL worth the cost. Might even be LESS expensive than multiple group classes. That intensive hour WILL have you rolling.

Still working on moving that roll to the river/Combat at 100%... Mostly a mental game there. It's a LOT nicer staying in the boat!
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Old 05-26-2005   #24
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Re: thanks...

Originally Posted by justinlk
And what is a good video to learn propper rolling technique?
EJ's "Rolling and Bracing" Video or DVD-This helped me the most mentally
Kent Ford's "The Kayak Roll" This helped me the most physically
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Old 05-26-2005   #25
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Re: Which is worse?

Originally Posted by rasdoggy
Doing a wet exit on a run if you can't get a roll.


Not paddling at all and sitting on the couch with the remote watching porn or worse the playstation.
Sounds like a sticky situation, either way you go.
"So in two seconds, away we went, a sliding down the river, and it did seem so good to be free again and all by ourselves on the big river and nobody to bother us." -Mark Twain (The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn)
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Old 05-26-2005   #26
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get the lesson. the best thing i did when i started out was i took a lesson then i proceeded to boat with instructors on their free time. I went to every pool session i could find and played polo or rolled over and over again. its just like everything need someone around who knows more than you and you must practice. P.S. I wouldnt be leaving the playpark/pool/lake without a solid roll.

thanks again to those who have helped me discover safety meetings....haha
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Old 05-26-2005   #27
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i just started kayaking and dont know how to roll yet and i absolutely hate when i swim but id much rather be swimming than sitting on my ass watching a porno
kayaking is way better than sitting on ur ass even if u r swimming
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Old 05-26-2005   #28
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You can do it.

If you have the dexterity to squeeze into a boat and the strength to pull a skirt on, then I think you have the physical ability to roll.

I'm worried this thread might give someone an excuse to not learn how. You can learn how to roll. It might be easy and it might not but you can do it. It won't be the hardest thing you learn how to do this year.

So I'm not trying to be a snob -- I just don't want to hear about somebody getting hurt because they thought either:
a) It's safe to paddle class x without a roll
b) Learning to roll is extremely difficult (it isn't imnsho)
c) Other people didn't learn how until they paddled for y years so I don't need to learn it yet.

sorry if this is offensive

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Old 05-26-2005   #29
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I feel that for many river situations having or activly learning a roll is very important. As many others have said its much nicer to go through a rapid in a boat than out of one. In my own case, when I had a pool roll it was a mental thing that held back my combat roll for a while. I would flip in current and think that I had to roll up immediatly, then when I didn't get my first rushed attempt I would swim. When I finally calmed down with being upside down I was able to get my roll, and then when I looked at how long it took to do so I didn't travel far at all. Another thing that helps me roll when I miss an attempt or two, is that if I consider pulling my skirt the very next thought through my head is, "I know I can roll, and it is going to be way more work to swim than to just try a time or two more and get up."

I learned to roll first in a pool and then a calm section of river where there was a big eddy to get some calm water practice in and then could go let the eddyline roll you and get yourself back up with your friends in the eddy to T-rescue if need be. It helped me out a lot.
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Old 05-26-2005   #30
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I never thought this thread would bring such responce...

It was never intended to imply that it is ok to not learn to roll, the orginal post came about after I was told I shouldn't be out paddling Union Chutes with out a roll after a swim that I totally self rescued never bothering anyone noone else was even in the hole I was in #4 and it was running +- 350 so not even big water.
Now just like any river being run weather or not a person has a bomber roll the choice must be made of can I do this with out help based on that persons comfort level....

That being said running upper Deckers with out a roll for some is the same as doing it on a tube, Running OBJ or Waterton with out a roll would be like the fools running Boulder Creek at flood on tubes... STOOPID

What was ment was should I be out working on eddy/ferry/brace stuff till I have a roll or just watch KAYAK porn and wait to be on a moving water...

Anyway I have yet to be worked as hard on any of my swims as getting pounded on the reef in 15 foot 6 wave set surf... but then I know when to stay off the river too.

Don't do anything, just stand there.
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