Originally Posted by caspermike
Was simply stating reasons why vegatarianism won't stand. Not just talking numbnuts.. reasons why are there tell me. what else to eat if not meat.. think alittle yak cause part of me thinks you don't understand what's realy being discussed.. water shortage do to overpopulation in zones not meant to sustain what's their.. Cadillac desert. So food is basic mean of survival along with the main problem. WATER, what is being irrigated.... decussion is on advancement of species as well as conservation for the planet.. both sides need seen for a big picture to be seen. Think a little
Man, it is real hard to understand your typing sometimes. I really don't see how you guys are completely missing (and/or ignoring) my points. Here are some facts from government websites:
FACT: 1/3 of the freshwater used in this country goes towards agriculture.
"Irrigation accounts for about a third of water use and is currently the largest use of fresh water in the United States." - Water Use in the United States
FACT: THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE FOOD PRODUCED FROM SAID AGRICULTURE IS USED TO FEED FARM ANIMALS, and corn, a very wasteful crop in terms of both water and soil, is #1 on that list:
"The United States is, by far, the largest producer of corn in the world. Corn is grown on over 400,000 U.S. farms. In 2000, the U.S. produced almost ten billion bushels
of the world’s total 23 billion bushel crop."
"According to the National Corn Growers Association, about eighty percent of all corn grown in the U.S. is consumed by domestic and overseas livestock, poultry, and fish production
. The crop is fed as ground grain, silage, high-moisture, and high-oil corn. About 12% of the U.S. corn crop ends up in foods that are either consumed directly (e.g. corn chips) or indirectly (e.g. high fructose corn syrup)."
Something to keep in mind...agriculture consumes a very large amount of energy. The majority of that is indirect energy consumption, in the form of fertilizers, herbicides, and insecticides. Food produced for farm animals does not have to live up to the same standards as food produced for human consumption, so these crops have significantly higher levels of all three, and therefore are using much more energy.
To say "This is a problem with over population in areas that can't sustain it" is sort of true, but I doubt many people would vote for wiping out half our population. This post is referring to water shortages. You can not talk about water shortages, without also talking about energy consumption and agriculture, considering those are the two largest users of water. A reduction in our energy needs (or a drastic increase in renewable energy available) would reduce our hydroelectric needs, which would reduce the need to new and hopefully existing hydro-electric dams. By limiting your meat intake (I'm not asking everyone to become vegan), being conscious of the negative impacts meat has on both your body and the environment, you are doing more to solve this 'water' and energy problem than by simply not watering a lawn, or using your gray water to water the lawn. You are saving more water and fuel than by keeping an empty pool or hot tub.
"Thermoelectric power accounts for about half of total water withdrawals. Most of the water is derived from surface water and used for once-through cooling at power plants. About 52 percent of fresh surface-water withdrawals and about 96 percent of saline-water withdrawals are for thermoelectric-power use."
The only solution to our water shortage is through new, renewable, energy reserves that require no or little water consumption (i.e. Geothermal, a very viable solution here in the West..."Geothermal has minimal land and freshwater requirements. Geothermal plants use 3.5 square kilometres (1.4 sq mi) per gigawatt of electrical production (not capacity) versus 32 and 12 square kilometres (4.6 sq mi) for coal
facilities and wind farms
They use 20 litres (5.3 US gal) of freshwater per MW·h versus over 1,000 litres (260 US gal) per MW·h for nuclear, coal, or oil."), as well as a drastic reduction in the amount of water used in agriculture. Without starving half the population, the only viable option is a drastic reduction in the amount of meat we consume/produce.
For those of you who insist your body is built for eating meat, I seriously doubt that. While there is a ton of conflicting information out there, I think it is obvious humans are designed for a strict plant based diet (especially if you've ever stopped eating meat for a month, and then eat a steak to see how you feel):
"The human gastrointestinal tract features the anatomical modifications consistent with an herbivorous diet. Humans have muscular lips and a small opening into the oral cavity. Many of the so-called "muscles of expression" are actually the muscles used in chewing. The muscular and agile tongue essential for eating, has adapted to use in speech and other things. The mandibular joint is flattened by a cartilaginous plate and is located well above the plane of the teeth. The temporalis muscle is reduced. The characteristic "square jaw" of adult males reflects the expanded angular process of the mandible and the enlarged masseter/pterygoid muscle group. The human mandible can move forward to engage the incisors, and side-to-side to crush and grind.
Human teeth are also similar to those found in other herbivores with the exception of the canines (the canines of some of the apes are elongated and are thought to be used for display and/or defense). Our teeth are rather large and usually abut against one another. The incisors are flat and spade-like, useful for peeling, snipping and biting relatively soft materials. The canines are neither serrated nor conical, but are flattened, blunt and small and function Like incisors. The premolars and molars are squarish, flattened and nodular, and used for crushing, grinding and pulping noncoarse foods.
Human saliva contains the carbohydrate-digesting enzyme, salivary amylase. This enzyme is responsible for the majority of starch digestion. The esophagus is narrow and suited to small, soft balls of thoroughly chewed food. Eating quickly, attempting to swallow a large amount of food or swallowing fibrous and/or poorly chewed food (meat is the most frequent culprit) often results in choking in humans.
Man's stomach is single-chambered, but only moderately acidic. (Clinically, a person presenting with a gastric pH less than 4-5 when there is food in the stomach is cause for concern.) The stomach volume represents about 21-27% of the total volume of the human GI tract. The stomach serves as a mixing and storage chamber, mixing and liquefying ingested foodstuffs and regulating their entry into the small intestine. The human small intestine is long, averaging from 10 to 11 times the body length. (Our small intestine averages 22 to 30 feet in length. Human body size is measured from the top of the head to end of the spine and averages between two to three feet in length in normal-sized individuals.)
The human colon demonstrates the pouched structure peculiar to herbivores. The distensible large intestine is larger in cross-section than the small intestine, and is relatively long. Man's colon is responsible for water and electrolyte absorption and vitamin production and absorption. There is also extensive bacterial fermentation of fibrous plant materials, with the production and absorption of significant amounts of food energy (volatile short-chain fatty acids) depending upon the fiber content of the diet. The extent to which the fermentation and absorption of metabolites takes place in the human colon has only recently begun to be investigated.
In conclusion, we see that human beings have the gastrointestinal tract structure of a "committed" herbivore. Humankind does not show the mixed structural features one expects and finds in anatomical omnivores such as bears and raccoons. Thus, from comparing the gastrointestinal tract of humans to that of carnivores, herbivores and omnivores we must conclude that humankind's GI tract is designed for a purely plant-food diet."
^-Milton R. Mills, M.D