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Old 01-06-2012   #11
GWS, Colorado
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Originally Posted by Andy H. View Post
Good reminder. All of the stores I use support the Buzz.

Hey IR, are you on that list?

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Old 01-06-2012   #12
Boise, Idaho
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I'll echo the complaints about the poll. I know that polling is the simplest way of collecting data, but it's the least accurate.

For me it is mostly a matter of timing and convenience. Like most, I try to support the local shops when I can. But it also comes down to a price point.

I buy most of my boats used, when good deals come along on boats that are in great shape. I have bought one boat from a local retailer, but it was a demo that was at a cut price, so that's a rarity.

I typically buy my paddles and other gear from the local retailer, because they'll match online prices as close as they can, or they'll order something special if they don't have it and it won't cost me shipping. For instance, I just bought a new Werner and my Sweet Strutter from the local guys. I think in the past year or so I have also purchased a new PFD, booties, fleece and pogies from the local guys.

When I bought my dry suit, though, I went online for that. Also went online for my last spray skirts.

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Old 01-06-2012   #13
White Salmon, Washington
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Hi Guys,
Again, thanks for taking the time to provide some feedback on this. The poll is to reflect purchase of new items only. The ability to check more than one option is given to provide multiple answers for the reasons that your concern expresses.
As far as IR not being on the "list of MB supporters" Mut....we sponsor and support every single whitewater event that we are approached about- in the majority of the country- that adds up to a couple hundred events per year. We also support your local dealers the best that we can by directing sales their way when we receive inquiries. We also donate a large amount of money to AW each and every year, as well as require that prodeal recipients donate $5 to AW for every order that is placed thru IR. We feel that our limited marketing budget gets put to the best use possible by doing this, as most of our resources get put back into helping our dealers, or R & D. The idea is to help where help is needed in regards to keeping our rivers open and available for all of us to enjoy- and help keep the interest in our sport alive!
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Old 01-06-2012   #14
Boise, Idaho
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I personally don't think IR needs to justify itself or its contribution to the WW community. Most everyone I know thinks of IR as a very solid member of the community who makes extremely good products.
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Old 01-06-2012   #15
Glenwood Springs, Colorado
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Let's not forget MountainBuzz is a for-profit enterprise.
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Old 01-06-2012   #16
GWS, Colorado
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You absolutley do not need to justify IR. I appologize for the quick reponse. I wasn't really paying attention to my reply like I did the my first post.

I have all sorts of IR dry and warm gear and love it.

I also see your company's presence at every event I attend. I really like your policy of donating $5 for every item that is bought through IR.
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Old 01-06-2012   #17
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please note post #13

just saying the floatie boat race at bailey could use a runner up prize.
"We should restore the practice of dueling. It might improve manners around here" -Edward Abbey
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Old 01-06-2012   #18
White Salmon, Washington
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No worries Mut, it was bound to come up at some point. Lets try stay on topic here...this is valuable feedback that virtually every dealer, and every manufacturer has questions about. Until this point, no one has actually taken this type of public poll that we know of about how the majority of purchases are being made these days- in todays economy, and with the expansion of online dealers. Thanks to those of you who chose to contribute.
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Old 01-06-2012   #19
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Well, I voted 'accessories online, kayak from Local store, although my 'local' store is CKS.5 hours away in Buena Vista. its all about the boat swap at CKS.... I also use CL and MB if anythings available locally.

The accessories I buy online because of the Pro-form through the rafting company. Its hard to beat the deal NRS gives 'rafting industry' folks. what IS hard though is wanting to Raft after thirteen years. so who knows. been lucky enough to have that for a long time. just need a raft and those goodies and I can quit! (so yeah,at least like 5 more much crap to do
that pro form is why i dont have any IR gear, unfortunately. I know its the goods.

Keep up the good work with AW, thank you guys for that !!!!
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Old 01-06-2012   #20
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I usually buy direct from the company, because I qualify for pro purchase. That said, IR told me that if I wanted a pro purchase I could just go to their local retailer, which is a direct competitor of my employer, for an in-store discount. They knew nothing about it and weren't about to give me 30+% off. I was told that y'all don't give a pro deal direct. This is weak. I've been in the business for over ten years and any company that gives a shit about its name hooks up a direct discount for the dirtbags on the front lines because we tell a ton of people what gear to buy.

So, Jesse, to make this long story short, I buy my gear from NRS, Kokatat, Stohlquist, Bomber Gear, Astral, Patagonia, Shred Ready, WRSI, Aire, Hyside, Smith Optics and all the other AWESOME companies that hook up outdoor professionals with pro pricing. I'll also be referring my rookie raft guides and all of my kayak clients to these companies this season.

Maybe IR should rethink its pro-deal policy.

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