What's Pine Creek like ~500?

[Steve Kahn]

we ran it a couple of weekends ago and it was fun for intermediates...curious though, reading thru, marko says that at whatever level they did not find the hole retentive in play boats, but maybe it might be in creek boats.

is this a commonly accepted understanding? i always just assumed that the creekers would not be held in something where a play boat might??? maybe the difference is that when boating upright this logic holds, but as far as getting worked in a hole, size matters more than edges? any thoughts anyone?

anyways, i did not run the hole even at the super low level cause i suck, but my buddy did and it didn't look bad. our first time down, but seemed to be a damn fine run, even at the low levels.

[Yonder_River]

Creekers are always harder to get out of holes than playboats. They are more stable while in the hole itself, but getting out is tougher because they're like a big cork. No edges and a lot of volume make it harder to flush out. You'll find that out for yourself in time.

[gregmcrae]

I mean left, I mean left!! Behind the big rock. Ooops.

Originally Posted by gregmcrae

450-750 is imo the best levels to run/learn the pine creek line. Just take a look at it before you run it, you can memorize the whole thing and talk your way down it. Grab the eddy on the right where Pine creek comes in. Then just point towards the big rock and shoot left behind it, 9 times out of ten I usually nip the left corner of the hole, no biggy at these levels.