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Old 11-15-2011   #11
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Well just because it has or has had roads and such on it doesn't mean it won't be designated as Wilderness. There are lots of areas in Utah where after the roadless inventory in the early 90s they closed the roads and then designated them as Wilderness Study areas. And I can take you to a handful of places in designated wilderness that have old mines and timber camps in them from before the Wilderness designation.

So I don't think that would stop it.

I'm not saying it should be stopped either, I'm just curious what it would/could mean.

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Old 11-15-2011   #12
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The drilling (noise, fumes, spills) and the resulting spread of roads and the heavy truck traffic has really changed the Deso area.

For the worse, I reckon. Any way to limit that careless exploitation is fine with me.

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Old 11-15-2011   #13
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[QUOTE=atg200;255065]I just got back from an early November solo trip on Deso, and i couldn't believe how loud the drill rigs/pumps on the rim are when you are on the river. If you haven't done Deso, it is a really deep canyon(about as deep as though not as long or steep/dramatic as the Grand Canyon)

I did Deso twice this summer and didnt notice any sound but the bugs......
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Old 11-17-2011   #14
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I never noticed the sound when I ran Deso in April or in years past, but it was definitely there in November. Not sure if it is just from drilling a new hole or if I was just listening more since I was alone on the river. Listen for it next time, especially in the flat water before Jack Creek.
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Old 11-17-2011   #15
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Dogs are allowed on both of these stretches- they would not be allowed with a Wilderness designation.
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Old 11-17-2011   #16
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Dogs are allowed on both of these stretches- they would not be allowed with a Wilderness designation.
Really? Dogs aren't allowed in Wilderness? I never knew that.
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Old 11-17-2011   #17
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Dogs are allowed in wilderness (usually) just not NPS.
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Old 11-17-2011   #18
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I always thought things like cars and maintained roads were verboten in wilderness areas. Are the boat ramps conveniently located just outside the wilderness areas?
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Old 11-18-2011   #19
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Motorized items are not allowed in wilderness.

They are trying to push wilderness area in the flattops area. In that case the Hidden Gems plan was to cherry stem existing roads in. I assume they would do the same if the ramps were inside the wilderness area. I don't know this area super well but there is map below that has the areas in it.

I could not see anything that stated pets were not allowed in wilderness at a glance.

Here are a couple links with some more information.

Wilderness Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Salazar IDs Westwater, other lands for protection | GJSentinel.com
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Mechanized traffic may be grandfathered in a new Wilderness area if it is considered a traditional or historic use. Witness the jetboats and airplanes that are allowed in Idaho Wilderness areas.

It's up to Congress to make that determination.


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