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Old 07-03-2006   #41
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You are a douche bag. IF you have boating partners you should express your opinions so that they know better than to paddle with you. Out of curiousity, do you carry a rope? If so, then why this attitude? You'll never save yourself with a rope, tough guy.


Aren't you a first or second year boater? I won't even get into you teaching lessons, but already picking up an attitude towards other newbies?? Now you want to close the door after you? We've been doing fine w/o your regulations for a long time, and will continue to do so.

"Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at
one end and no sense of responsibility at the other."

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Old 07-03-2006   #42
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Mike A - I love the Reagan quote. If only we could get a political party that respects the environment AND understands the purpose of government - it is NOT to govern our every move.

My $.02 on the cert card...The SCUBA comparison is void, I can go diving without a card, I did so in Jamaica on a resort dive and could do so by myself if I own the gear. The resort took the responsibility of training me and not putting me in a dangerous first dive. There were limits to the dive, but it didn't keep the non-composed away as one lady and one man freaked at 30' and shot to the surface. They were OK because they weren't down long enough to get the bends. Of course, I could have gotten a card at the dive shop by spending my whole vacation diving and paying out the ass(Clay's Point), then I would belong to the CLUB but my wife would have been pissed! For diving, I'm supportive of the SELF GOVERNING body that issues SCUBA certs to keep people from getting in over their head plus it makes it convenient for legit divers to get to a destination and rent gear around the world. Why am I supportive, because there is some pretty complicated physics behind diving safely - it took the Navy years and probably many lives to figure this one out. In order to make money, the dive shops way back figured it was in their best interest to do something to prove someone a legit diver, and do it through an international CLUB. Same with sky diving, I guess. The same could be for kayaking, I guess, but I think we are dealing with different, "common sense" dynamics. Nothing like decompression rates and terminal velocity - our concern is that we all have about 60 seconds without air and we are most likely done in.

If kayak shops are threatened due to bullshit litegous actions, then I hope they join forces to protect their self interests and do whatever it takes to operate a profitable business, whether it is a CLUB card you can buy at Safeway or a waiver at the shop. However, I would never support the legislation of kayaking safety, our politicians are too freaking busy in our shit already.

And Gary E - it appears RasDoggy gets under your skin often but I couldn't help but think he enjoys it. Just like with a child, if they know they're getting to you...they win.

And Viper - go fly with Maverick.

Peace brothers! And if I saw anyone in need on the river, I would help so long as I didn't feel my life was in significantly increased risk and the risk scale would then slide depending on how much I cared for the person in need.

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Old 07-03-2006   #43
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I can understand why a shop employee might want a cert card system. That way if they turned a guy down that wanted to rent a boat they are not the bad guys. The organization or the policy is the bad guy.

I honestly dont think that you guys are all that exposed. Several years ago I was a youth pastor at a church where we had a portable skatepark that we set up. Every week we would have 100+ kids show up. It was the real deal. I called and asked our insurance agent what it would cost to insure the deal and if we need liability forms? He siad no on the forms unless we were going to be making any medical decisions for the participants I told him no. He then gave me a quote and increased our insurance by $125 for the year. He then told me that the only liability was if the ramps and rails were not properly maintained. I asked him why it was so cheap and easy. He told me that skateboarding is legaly defined as a "dangerous activity". So when a person steps on a board they are assuming thier own risk because of the activity they are participating in.

Currently I work at a church in Evergreen and I take kids climbing, kayaking, biking, etc. The only form I use is a medical release that allows me to make medical decisions on behalf of my students. Other than that we are covered.

All that being said I am a pastor not a lawyer.

I agree that cert cards is not a good idea as their are soooo many more variables to kayaking that just are not present in Scuba.

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Old 07-03-2006   #44
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I am working on my "cretifa-cations" right now.
Hoping to become a full-fledged cretin by the end of the summer.

Thx Gary E
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Old 07-04-2006   #45
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wow..some serious animosity on this thread. the ganja, gentlemen. everyone seems so much more tolerable after some funky skunky smelly green shit

except viper..he'll still be an ass. I think he's just trolling. trdbrglr.
I hope in the future Americans are thought of as a warlike, vicious people, because I bet a lot of high schools would pick "Americans" as their mascot. -Jack Handy
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Old 07-04-2006   #46
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You cry babies sure are afraid of dying.

The guys I paddle with know that Im leaving them to die if rescue posses great risk, they are gonna do the same thing for me. We've been through a hell of alot more than just a chance of drowning together.

You guys are pussies, just like mtn bikers, just like everyone else that does every sport.

*If you need proof, go read the 'unpleasant experience w/ red truck' thread. Imagine crying on a message board about a 'guy' in a 'red truck' who was a 'fellow boater' being so 'rude'. Hahaha, like a train wreck, so funny, yet so pittiful.

Do I have a ropebag? HAhahahaha... So funny children.

I hope someone dies today on the water. If it could be bastardsonof elvis, that would be cool. If It was timwalker that drowned, Id do a little dance over his bloated, blue body. If was Mike a that got pinned and drowned, Id probably pee my pants with laughter.

It so funny how brave people get behind thier screens, beacuse kayakers as a whole are a pretty soft group. I guess this is your chance to be brave, feel like men. So, do us all a favor and come up with some more good things to call me. But this time, bring the funny.
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Old 07-04-2006   #47
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Actually, turdburglar was funnier than anything you said. Except maybe:
You cry babies sure are afraid of dying
uhh, yeah. Yep, call me crazy or a cry baby, i dont like the thought of dying, just yet. It's kinda hard to get laid while your dead. But in your case, what should we expect from someone with a cool, tough guy name like "Viper". You probably roll with Vin diesel too, huh?

Please do us all a favor and describe yourself:

a. So we all know who the bad ass to avoid is
b. so when we see you screaming for help while your in that undercut we know not to pass you our ropes and let you die in accordance to your wishes. I dont wanna have to restuff my rope over nothing.
c. hell, just describe yourself so whoever see's your little bitch mouth first can give you a good curb stomping, kid.

Happy 4th, bitches.
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Old 07-04-2006   #48
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...oh and bsoe, i just sparked up the stickiest of the icky to celebrate my independence.

"it's a celebration, bitches" - Rick James
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Old 07-04-2006   #49
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viper, trolling is an artform. You are so heavy handed, so trite. How do you expect anyone to bite? I just don't think you're smart enough for it. Low iq is a curse..I feel for you. Your mom probably just couldn't stop drinking whilst pregnant. so sad. try again. maybe come up with another name and start anew. oh, another tip...having single digit posts is a sure sign that you're not quite legitimate.

and el quapo..sadly we're not quite "free" to indulge just yet, though making strides in the right direction. still, a great way to celebrate any ocasion...or just life in general.

"I suppose you could say that everyone has an El Guapo. For some, shyness may be an El Guapo. For others [viper], lack of education may be an El Guapo. But for us, El Guapo is a large ugly man who wants to kill us!"
- Lucky Day
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Old 07-04-2006   #50
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oh no, my worst fear, I am not legitimate.

oh Lord what wiil I do?

Youre words have truly hurt me, I am scared forever.

Oh, double digits now, guess my fears were unfounded. Or do I need to be 50 posts? yeah, thats it, 50 and Im legit.

No, wait, maybe 100. Yeah, thats it, 100 and Im legit.

The mom stuff, not very original, please try again. And what makes you think Id care if you didnt help me? Who are you, Superman?

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