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Old 02-24-2005   #11
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Best snowpack since 96. I seriously doubt you'll get a commercial trip that week. Went thru around 24K and Skull was an evil lookin haystack from a
softboaters point of view. My buddy had a clean run but it surged and flipped him in a heart beat. We chased him down just above Sock and the turbulence had ripped all of his gear off except his life vest and top. Reeled his boat in after last chance and celebrated life with Wild Turkey shortly thereafter.

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Old 02-24-2005   #12
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At 14,400 cfs, the eddyline trailing downstream off the Rock of Shock (the spot where the river and the whirlpool meet at Skull) was one of the scariest things I have ever seen. WW at peak is definitely not a place I wanna swim.

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Old 02-24-2005   #13
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Thanks again for the great info...

Based on the info, I think I will try a trip later in the year at lower water. It sounds like it would be a more fun trip later in the year. The high water swims sound scary to. I initially wanted to take my dad with me, but after reading the swim stuff I would be scared to shit bringing him along in water like that.
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Old 02-26-2005   #14
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It's bathwater you can swim skull. I missed the ferry on skull bounced off razor flipped in the hole above skull and went in the room with my 71 yr father in law. Fortunately he is too ornery to ever die so we'll prob be waiting another 20yrs for that inheritance by which time I'll prob be dead.
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Old 02-26-2005   #15
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They don't call them the terrible teens for nothing. I have done it at about every level and I would say it is definetely bigger and much harder in the teens. Even in the 20,000 range it gets kind of washed out and is easier to guide. If you are doing it for the first time in the teens you better be ready. It is deep and powerful and I have seen people go down for a long time.
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Well, you can be in the Room of Doom safely below 4-5K, but somewhere above there it starts getting sticky, depending on your skill and energy level. In the teens there is an eddy fence surging 2-3 feet high between the Room and the main current, and you would not want to be in there. There have been occasions when rafts have had to be de-rigged and hauled over the cliff on river right to get them out of the Room. Not saying kayaks couldn't get out at higher levels, but it certainly would be an adventure to try....

And Caspian's comment about the violent eddy/seam on the left of the Rock of Shock in the mid-teens is right on. The water surges up on the Rock 3-5 feet high, with a good portion of the river going into the Room and a lot of the rest of the water driving straight down the sheer wall to the left of the Rock. I saw a loose oar sucked into it once, only to be seen 6-7 seconds later when it shot out of the water, about 100 feet downstream, like a sub-launched ballistic missile.

As a final note, swimming Skull and going into the Room after bouncing off Razor Rock means that it was 3k or below, which is when Razor starts to disappear. At that level you absoutely can go in and out of the Room at your leisure -- the only obstacle being the raft of floating debris that sometimes interferes with smooth paddling and rowing.

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