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Old 11-09-2011   #31
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Originally Posted by TheKid View Post
The spending of this money is the issue. People canít get home and small business loans, but a project like this can be funded? We have a failing education system that is out of date and underfunded; so much so that we are cutting teachers, and increasing class sizes. And money (doesnít matter whoís) is going to be wasted on this. We are in the midst of an energy crisis and we are going to spend valuable resources creating these materials, trucking them out there, and installing them. For what? Colorado is so beautiful why add some man made drapes only to take them down shortly after.
This is a waste.
Education underfunded...are you kidding me! Try reallocating and cutting administrators and back office people.

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Old 11-09-2011   #32
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This project does not compare to the playpark. Playparks are places where people can learn a skill and practice a sport. Playparks don't restrict river access. If you like art go to an art gallery or maybe a museum. This has no place on the river! And if you think it does stay home, you don't belong on the river. This guy can waste his money all he wants. This is about him impacting the river.[/QUOTE]

I think you're a pretty poor judge about how and where I should spend my time.
Thanks for the uninteresting response.
Seeing as how this isn't going to get answered here, I guess we'll just have to see what happens.

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Old 11-09-2011   #33
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To each his own, I guess.

While I personally think it's dumb and a waste of money, I can see why people would support it. Will it really bring millions of additional dollars of economic benefit? I doubt it. Will it have some benefit, probably.

Will I avoid the river for several years? Not a snowball's chance in hell. I will avoid it like the plague for two weeks, while these "millions" of tourists come to look at their "art".

Will it have an impact? Of course it will. I just hope it's minimal. I hope they have defined what "clean up" means. If it's just taking down fabric, then that's not right. If all that is left are a few (or several thousand) holes where anchors and posts, etc were, I'll probably never notice or know the difference compared to the other impacts left behind. At least he's going to clean up. The railroad hasn't...

This does too compare to a playpark, or moving rocks to make a river safer, etc. It has an ipact just like any other project. sure, a lot of us would prefer a playpark, but some obviously prefer the art.

To each his own....

Yeah, another flaming thread! LOL
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Old 11-09-2011   #34
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In lieu of your comment:

"So we're children because you're a sellout? If somebody spent big bucks and hired a bunch of Coloradoans to wrap Mount Elbert in tin foil would you support that too? Many of us children have been involved at every step of the comment phase, have read the articles, and are informed. We just don't support something purely for economic benefit. The Arkansas already brings in more money than it should. It's resources are already exploited. This is too much.

This is the problem with this state. Too many people from back east that worship money.[/QUOTE]"

I pointed out the monetary benefits because others were complaining about it taking funding from more worthy projects like schools or town functions when the reality is that this will fund towns and districts. that is uneducated. much like your comment. and it was the local Coloradoans who were worried about your precious dollars.

there are plenty of people that think this is going to be a beautiful, temporary installation. if you don't like the art you are entitled to that, but being negative about it does nothing but try and ruin it for others. if you have concerns about damages, let those be heard to the committees so they can be dealt with and then you won't be such an angry person.
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Old 11-09-2011   #35
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Bella you are uneducated! Schools are funded through property taxes solely. This will do nothing for property taxes!!!

This project is just plain idiotic, let Bulgarian Mr. Christo ruin a river somewhere else in the world.

Why this spot from his website.
"They drove 14,000 miles in the Rocky Mountains and inspected 89 rivers in search of the river that would provide all the characteristics they were looking for. After all of this research, they decided that the Arkansas River in the state of Colorado best fit the needs for the project."

So at 30 mpg that is 466.67 gallons of gas. The burning of one gallon of gas produces 19 pounds of CO2. So that is 8,866.67 pounds of carbon dioxide just to find the location. Not to mention everything else.

How is this project going to affect wildlife in the area, ie big horn sheep and bald eagles? Or the famous may fly hatches on the river. the aquatic life in the river needs sunlight. Hello...this project is uneducated!!!
"Ain't a single rock in this river that can stop us!" Slug
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Old 11-09-2011   #36
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It is going to be awesome to boat through. All the haters will love it too. Keep beating on the dead horse, I will wait in line to put on the river without any complaints.
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Old 11-09-2011   #37
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It is going to be awesome to boat through. All the haters will love it too. Keep beating on the dead horse, I will wait in line to put on the river without any complaints.
thumbs up!
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Old 11-09-2011   #38
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When did boating come to leave no carbon footprint? Some of you think it is a waste of money, well it's not your money, so you have no point. Christo sounds like a badass to me. He does not take sponsorships, so no bud-light logos will be found on the side of the river, he pledges to recycle and he thought out of 89 rivers he saw that the Ark was the best for his project. Awesome! I remember when he did the Saffron gates in New York and how much attention that got. I look forward to seeing the benefits in Colorado from this art project. It will bring in more money from tourists and hopefully give a boost to Colorado's economy so that we can start caring about the real issue of educating our children and a viable workforce.
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Old 11-09-2011   #39
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[QUOTE=TheKid;254506]Bella you are uneducated! Schools are funded through property taxes solely. This will do nothing for property taxes!!!

I never said it would fund schools or property tax. I said it would fund districts. the schools were mentioned by a previous post as where the money could go. so you're off on that one. but you do have a good point on the may fly hatch and the birds.

btw thanks everyone above for the positive posts. I'm not coming back here to this one, but I too will be lined up all week to experience this.

Haters, enjoy the other 88 rivers and making fun of me to your black hearts delight.
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Old 11-09-2011   #40
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gonna be cool all the way around i expect

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