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Old 07-16-2008   #1
Manteca, California
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To lace in or not?

We're just starting out in rafting and found an older 14' Avon ('82) with a laced in self-bailing floor. What's everyone think about the laced in self-bailing? Worth doing? Advantages/disadvantages?


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Old 07-16-2008   #2
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some other things to think about....

you'll be ok with the laced in floor. AIRE still does the lace into. Probably cheaper overall if you ever needed to replace the floor since you could do it yourself.

With an '82 Acon I'd be more intersted in the condition of the rubber, values, seams, baffles, etc. If those look good and you're getting a good deal go for it. Expect a couple of pinholes leaks and you may need to top it off once a day.

Good luck, let us know if there are any other questions. I posted a 4-5 times when I got serious on the shopping.


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Old 07-16-2008   #3
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As was said, the biggest thing you probably need to worry about is the overall condition of the raft. Fill it up and let it sit for a day to see how well it holds air. Also you'll want to fill up the floor to make sure none of the I-Beams are blown out, they are a pain to repair (meaning expensive.)

As far as your question about the floor goes, the main difference I've noticed is how fast the boat will drain in big water. With a laced in floor the water will drain out much quicker than an attached floor. I personally prefer the laced in floor because of that, but would not base my purchase on that. If the boat is a good deal and holds air, go for it, you won't regret it.

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Old 07-16-2008   #4
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I'm with rjones, laced floor drains better. Very minor, but slightly easier to grip when climbing up floor of flipped boats (not that I ever do that )
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Old 07-16-2008   #5
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Originally Posted by rjones View Post
As far as your question about the floor goes, the main difference I've noticed is how fast the boat will drain in big water. With a laced in floor the water will drain out much quicker than an attached floor.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that one. I think that the new NRS style drains water faster than the old lace in. but either way your gonna be stoked to get a raft! good point with the replacement of the floor though.
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Old 07-17-2008   #6
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We use to have an Avon in our fleet with a laced in retrofit floor out of a Sotar...It tracked different than a normal Avon.......rather sluggish when you needed to make a move. The floor was made of PVC so we had to carry extra patch material for the floor as the boat was made of hypolon. We ended up getting rid of it and replaced it with another old Avon or two.

Got to love those old Avons.
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Old 07-17-2008   #7
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I preferr lace in floors, as was posted earlier, it wouldn't be a deciding factor in the purchace of a used boat, but the draining is IMO great. I like the added weight when hitting big stuff. it will drain in about 15-30 seconds, and that beats the shit outta bailing. granted, most of the things i run are big water ( western) trips, not ultra techy high gradient stuff. the little cat comes out for those trips.


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