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Old 11-26-2004   #1
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thoughts on SOLO kayaking.......anybody?

i understand the importance of buddies(m/f) when sporting..... i understand and enjoy the feeling of having a partner the #1 rule? i love watching my crew disappear over horizon lines or watching them come into view as much as the next guy/gal.....who doesn't? soloing IS a part of kayaking or sporting that has always been there....what do you think? soloing something as mellow as class2 is good for you...class V, maybe... maybe not....if it is so bad , why does it make you laugh so much? i seem to be gettin more and more interested in this facet of isn't for glory, fame or anything like that....hard to shoot footie or take pictures when by yourself....i watch more kayak porn that anybody out there, and am thankful for the time and energy people put into capturing all the fun and excitement on film!!!!i dont like catching grief from friends about soloing.....i'm off to make some turns.... with friends!

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Old 11-26-2004   #2
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Why not? I haven't ever soloed anything hard, but if you're interested in it and get rewards from it, why not? Soloing isn't different from kayaking with friends in any respect: you look at a drop and decide to run it or not depending on your ability, the weather, the flow, the fun-factor, and your safety support. Only in soloing you just realize that you have no safety. Every class V boater that I know has looked at a drop and said, "there's a chance I could pin or swim there and if I did there isn't a damn thing anyone could do to help me." Yet we've all run that drop. As Kyle said about Yule, sometimes safety is largely verbal. If you're willing to run a drop like that, then why not solo? I'm not saying that soloing is for every paddler, but I'd hope people would not be so quick to condem those that do.

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Old 11-27-2004   #3
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I think soloing is wicked, hella, totally sweet..... Im into doing it once in a while, but have never soloed anything super hard. I'd actually like to do it more. Theres just a feeling you get (its kinda warm and fuzzy) while soloing that you dont get with the crew....a bit more of a connection to your surroundings and understanding of your significance or lack theroff.

PS- I made some turns today too. In powder. On a mountain that had tons of terrain open, 10+ fresh on a 50+ inch base with a total of about 140 inches to date (Snowbird). How are things at the Butte this year? Deep as always??

PPS- I'll be moving back there next season, so I'd better not be too condescending about CBs snowfall.

ppps- gotta go watch the simpsons now (seriously).

Peace Milo.
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Old 11-27-2004   #4
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Try running a search on AW's site for the word "solo". Most links come back from the "Accident Reports" section followed by: Victim(s) were fatally injured.

It comes down to each individual's choice, I enjoy being on the water with my buds, and being able to share the experience during and after. But that's my call, not yours.

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Old 11-27-2004   #5
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I guess this can be seen two ways, but I have always felt that it demonstrates a huge lack of respect to put your life in someone elses hands when running a really hard stretch. After reading the posts of people that were on trip when somthing went bad I sometimes feel worse for the people on the trip than for the families of the lost ones. The people on that trip are the ones that carry the baggage, second guessing their decisions and what if-ing the scenarios.

So as for soloing, out of respect for your boating buddies, I would almost suggest that if you cant solo it then maybe you shouldnt do it at all?

Yeah this theory does not account for freak of nature accidents or other scenarios.... I guess I am just trying to make an off topic point about the position that you put other paddlers in when pushing yourself too hard.

I have soloed a good bit in the past but nearly always on well populated rivers or on sections that are easily accesable (like with a road running along). I agree with the benefits mentioned by the others. Someday I want to add a flyrod to the mix as well.

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Old 11-27-2004   #6
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point well taken mescalimick, is having your buddy there with a rope, giving you a false sense of security? most of the time probably not, sometimes i'd say yes....i've soloed drops and then portaged them when "safety" was present....conditions i first solo was forced upon me down in GUATAMALA....(like a virgin, soloing for the very first time)...had to leave my buddy stranded on an island(we chose a tree that he could climb up because the river was still rising)....i insisted that he take my boat and go for a rescue...i'd prefer being left behind and sleeping in the tree than face that monster river(V)...he declined...he said go get me some f&%$ing HELP!!!.....needed to catch up with the heavy hitters who were chasing his gear(sikkos)...i was super freaking..first solo, first day ever to paddle out of the a mega-flooding river...i did not enjoy sharing the river with old growth trees that were swapping ends!!! mentally i was not ready so i opted to hike out through the buddy had said,"there is a road about six miles into the jungle that will take you to the takeout bridge" GOOD LORD!!! darkish hours....bla bla bla i traded a chocolate power bar to some naked toothless jungle kids(after an hour of wondering if i was an alien/teasing me they approached me) it is the only reason i made it out to a dirtroad... where after 2 hours of sketchy encounters i was surrounded by the army or police with machine guns! then my girl popped out of the truck....SWEET- point is....being self-reliant is a valuable skill....It dawned on me that i needed to spend more time mentally train..... so, i did.... i am not dropping in TOLTEC GORGE, solo, any time soon!!!! a handfull of quality solos every season are awesome adventures (regardless of class)....... MENG, gotta a number out there in UTAH? it snowing again here...not fully open though... soon......the new owners are super aggressive about terrain openings...just need a bit more help from mommy nature.....
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yo ben.....WORD...i'd never solo something that i couldn't run with buddies!! my first planned solo was near montrose(BC)... and i learned that it is serious(got knocked out briefly, came to... underwater... wondering where i was) my stick back in hands and rolled up...had to finish the run with one eye swoll shut...i do not take soloing lightly as my friends suggest...thanks for peoples' input....GIT SUM!!!!
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This an interesting article I came across about "The Dangers of Boating With Others" I'm not saying I agree with her, but she makes a couple valid points amid some of the rambling.
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...sorry, you have to scroll down to the link "The Dangers of boating with others " ....
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I personally like solo'ing...I have solo'd very hard runs(meatgrinder,pueblo,the big 4 on lake creek) to easy runs as numbers and royal gorge and I find the mind set is the same on all runs..You have all senses in order and have a extreme sense of focus...I love it,the feeling of being alone in some great places soaking up life and what it offers is something I enjoy...I also love being with friends and spending time with them on rivers....Solo'ing is not for everyone,yet I don't feel it is more dangerous then with a group as long as you go about it in a way that you are comfortable with...


ps---But solo'ing is politically incorrect and that offends alot of people....

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