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Old 02-22-2015   #11
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Originally Posted by rivervibe View Post
On that very drop I like to approach the same, but then plant the paddle out away from the boat over the lip on the side you want to angle toward (the right) and basically do a draw in-to-boof stroke. I feel like that helps me spot and control my landing. That and it gives me something to pull my knees up to letting me really get the bow up. Seems to work well on lips like this. If anyone know what that might be called, please let me know.

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Fader boof, which when combined with mega lean turns into an ear dip. I believe it's also been referred to as the flying Delavergne.

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Old 02-22-2015   #12
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Thanks. I like that. It definitely does fly.

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River vibe- I agree that that right stroke draw/fader is better. Just an example of the less dynamic but sometimes necessary sweep boof.

I thought the head dip business was kinda silly until I found myself trying in in Mexico. Not sure the head dip is a useful move per se but leaning out just the right amount (then pulling it back underneath you) does create great leverage and it feels cool.

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Old 02-22-2015   #14
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Absolutely. It can be very necessary. I haven't tried the ear dip much yet... I guess it would be good practice for when trying to stay upright when you're getting pushed around at the top of a drop. Personally, I think a cross-over boof is fairly impressive.
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Old 02-23-2015   #15
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I placed that boat in Kirshbaum's to provide an autoboof to help kayakers with weak boofs, so you're welcome.

Last year (we only boat in summer here Uldis - anyone can be good at kayaking if they boat year round) I was playing around with a variation of the squirt boof that is discussed in that link. I would approach rocks with a nice pillow and load the stern and use it to boof with an upward angle - almost like a splat/squirt boof. It's fun to do on low consequence boofs, I personally wouldn't use it on a boof with consequences, but that has more to do with technique than anything wrong with that boof.

For the sweep boof - almost every time you boof into an eddy you use a variation of the sweep boof.

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Still using the Front Range as an excuse... Ian taught me a different technique - you just boof really hard into them rocks and then grab them with your hands.

LOF also is a bit of cross grain boof, esp at lower flows than in the jmack instructional video. Water is moving from left to right at the lip. Planting a stroke on your right side uses the power of the water to load your stroke.
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Hell I don't even live on the front range anymore and I still use it as an excuse. It's the perfect way to explain to someone that ya I was on that run, no I probably shouldn't have been on it but after 6 months of solid winter internet boating and whiskey drinking I became pretty damn good and I knew I could fire it up.
So I've been going out with a buddy who is just getting into creeking so it's been allowing me to play around a lot with different techniques on pretty forgiving rapids. Of course I've been doing the catch all the Eddie and drop into holes to try to work yourself out and boofing everything, but I'm looking for new techniques to play around with and what's more fun than boofing.
Anyway if anyone's got something fun to play around with just throw it ou there.
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Old 02-23-2015   #18
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Yeah, I think your description is correct, though I think the initial angle is to allow for proper initiation and finishing position when the stroke is completed. But I honestly don't know if I completely understand it. I'm picturing initiating the stern in a playboat. You edge the boat and sweep in order to lift your bow. Seems like the same idea, except it's being used to keep the bow up to enter the feature you're trying to boof. The rest of the stroke is used to flatten your boat and point it in the desired direction.

I've played around with trying to edge my boat while boofing. It's definitely an advanced move. As several people in that article note, it actually allows you take advantage of great rocker on your edge, and it feels and looks cool. I've had it lead to way more trouble for me than help because if your timing is off you fall on your edge when you land. In general I would say keeping your hull flat while boofing is plenty effective in most situations and way safer. It's fun to play around with the edges though.
Ah yes the lean boof. I've toyed around with this technique for a bit. When done correctly it leads to some serious boofs. I do have a comical series of photos of me trying the lean boof and not transferring my edges.

Here I'm running the right side of tunnel. I like this line for working on serious boofs, but it's not exactly forgiving.

Having a pretty sweet boof but I completely failed to transfer my edges.


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The first picture in that series looks sweet - that makes it worth it.
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After I posted I noticed this fantastic video with all the latest downriver moves. Uldis these should keep you busy for a while perfecting these. Even though it is in German make sure you listen to the descriptions of the moves - there's enough english in there to make it awesome.


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