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Old 07-05-2009   #11
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Andy H. made note of the fine line an experienced boater must take when trying to assess skill level and ultimately try to give good advice to those who lack common sense/good judgement. Alot of us experienced boaters have been in this situation. Hopefully using one's knowledge of the river and some tact when talking to the idiot about to put on a river obviously beyond his/her/their skill and/or equipment level will lead to some common sense being instilled into the idiot's head. But sometimes even the best laid plans don't come to fruition and that's when we as experienced boaters (although not legally obligated) have to do our part to help out the idiots and show the rest of the world that whitewater can be enjoyed safely when one is educated and possesses the right skills and equipment.

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Old 07-06-2009   #12
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Last night I saw a TV report here in GJ about "rafters" needing to be rescued and it turns out they were in tubes. Uh, those would be called "tubers", not rafters. And there was another group last week on Walmart "rafts" that were the equivalent of pool toys and they had "forgotten" their life jackets. Unfortunately, no matter how much education you try to do, there are always going to dumb people out there and as Andy H said, the media makes no distinction between idiots who are pitifully unprepared for moving water and those of us who have worked for years to obtain the equipment and skills necessary.

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Old 07-06-2009   #13
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I think it helps if we can get the word out to the media. What happened to the gal from the Fox station in Denver who was kind of doing a rafting series? Is she still around? Maybe AW or a local group or something could help with some PR: "Don't be a gaper" or something like that...
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Old 07-06-2009   #14
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Tis the season. We have them in Durango too.

Durango Herald News, Rescuers aid stranded Animas tubers
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Old 07-06-2009   #15
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the durango story is even stupid-er! 15 year olds? i might be a tad protective, but i don't let my 15 year old run the river on her kayak, on our raft, on a tube, on a duckie, on a river board (get the drift) without an adult -- a smart adult, with river experience, at that!
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Old 07-06-2009   #16
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I lost count of the number of tubers on Filter Plant without pfd's, most come out with red welts from running into rocks and branches with only swim suits on. Usually on the shuttle back up you find many walking along the road barefoot because 1.) their tube popped or 2.) they scared the crap out of themselves getting tossed in some of the small holes on the run.

To quote Napoleon, "Freakin' Idiot(s)!"
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Old 07-06-2009   #17
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Originally Posted by rivermanryan View Post
Tis the season. We have them in Durango too.

Durango Herald News, Rescuers aid stranded Animas tubers
So the newspaper referred to the incident as a "rafting expedition" ?!
Since when do tubers count as rafters? Most people are just so ignorant when it comes to the definition of rafter, rafting, etc. Please don't misconstrue my words here - I do love tubers, but really only when they are cooked properly (i.e. baked, fried, mashed, etc)
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Old 07-06-2009   #18
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I Live Here And Float Here. There is an almost Non-exsistance of PFD's on this River! I've seen watched again and again countless numbers of people,10-16 in a raft with NO PFD's Mom Dad and the Kids out for a good time. Or even worse,Just the Kids!
Then there are the Fishin'Guy's who I Guess if You Own Your Own Boat??? There is NO NEED TO WEAR FLOATATION? I Say this because I have asked on several occasion," Hey Do you have PFD's"?
The answer is usually, This is My Boat I Don 't Have To Wear One"
I'm Not making that up, I hear it EveryDay.
I Guess if you own your own boat,You get a Free Pass on Drowning?
See Ya In The Papers.
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Old 07-06-2009   #19
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You people need to settle down! You all act like novices who just graduated from Swift Water Rescue Class. This behavior has been going on for ever and will continue.

Calmly help and calmly suggest. Don't freak out and call everyone idiots. We all have talents and nobody is better than anyone else.
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Old 07-07-2009   #20
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You're right, they definitely have better nun-chuck skills than I do, I just wish they'd hold onto their damn shoes especially since half the time they end up walking the highway barefoot.

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