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Old 07-16-2008   #21
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that guy on the oars needs to chase down swimmers, that means push down stream not row up.

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Old 07-17-2008   #22
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bad press = no beer for guides

The problem with bad press is that people read the paper and if they see a blow out of proportion article about the dangers of the river, they may think twice about getting in a boat. While this may be good for some (bubba vs. Gore), there are plenty of trips out there that are family friendly and safe. In the end, there are a number of people who try to make a living doing it and with a short season, they need all the help they can get.

Imagine if guides had to live in their cars, eat leftover customer food, and drink cheap domestic beer in cans...

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Old 07-17-2008   #23
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I'm down about 35% for the summer

Both trips and tips. Ya cant tell me the economy is completely to blame. Everytime there has been some news about the rio it has been completely blown out of proportion. Look at the Eagle incident you mentioned before. I saw the headlines. Somthing like 19 swimmers in 5 rafts flips on the eagle or somthing like that. And like was said earlier and you pointed out. NOT NEWS WORTHY. Exactly! Still.... they ran with the story on the front page complete with pictures. Most of us know there was no real news to the story. I person went to the hosp for observation. This is a joke story to us but not to those that have come to town to spend tourist $$$. "Well honey, There killing people on the river again,.....Lets go to Pikes peak instead".
How many multiple stories have you seen on the dangers of 4x4 during the height of 4x4 season. come on dude. Its not the same.
As for getting shut down. Some of the smaller companies may be struggeling to keep their heads above water and bad press just might be the straw that breaks the camels back
I agree with you here. It is fun to flip and it is to be expected as a part of rafting. I guess thats part of the point. We, as whitewater folks know that it mostly all good when rafts flip, but when not rio people see this stuff, needlessly over and over again, it scares the shit out of them and the only benifit is in the ratings for news 9 Denver, not the river community.
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Old 07-17-2008   #24
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I guess the way I see it is river running takes a certain kind of mind set. If the thought of flipping scares you away then maybe you shouldn't have been there in the first place. When I take newbs out I can tell if they will stick with it or not after their first roll. They either come up with a big ass shit eating grin or scared as hell, like I said it's a certain mind set. People always ask me if I get scared going into big rapids. Hell no, you get scared and you'll get the crap kicked out of you, that's the time to start digging in.

Let's look at a few incidents on the ark this year, multiple heart attacks and a 4 year old swimming. people that shouldn't be on those stretches of river in the first place.

Would you rather have no one to take down or a death on your boat. you decide.......

The 4x4 comment was in regards to shutting it down, not loss of business, I didn't see it from that side in my first posts.

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