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Old 01-23-2007   #11
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The shit hatch is brilliant.

You could also clip a poop tube onto the stern security bar / carry handle and let it float down behind you ... I gotta admit, the shit hatch is way better.

On a more serious note, if you're actually thinking of the shit hatch then use bags! That way you don't have to "pump out the smelly mess." Have a fun trip.

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Old 01-24-2007   #12
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Originally Posted by mudhut
Carrying water sounds like the biggest problem. Are there some good spots to filter or resupply on the river?
I haven't run that section so I don't know about water for resupply but we've filtered straight out of the sand juan and escsandlante using the following techniques:

Get water in the evening in a bucket, let it settle all night. Carefully scoop out of the bucket without stirring up the sand on the bottom and pour that through cofee filter(s) into another container. The water should be filterable at that point, but make sure you have a filter you can clean off after every couple liters or so because it will still be a little silty.

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Old 01-24-2007   #13
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Not sure if the BLM allows it on Deso, but I bought a 4'x4' piece of welding cloth to use as a ground cover for a firepan- you could certainly make a fire on top of that. I got the welding cloth at Raftin Styles in SLC: - talk to JJ Suprise and ask him to sell you some welding cloth- he's an interesting cat.

In the interests of not trying to poop in a 3" diameter tube, could you dumper-down into a wag bag and then stuff it into a pipe contraption? That would be my preference- aiming comfort.
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Old 01-24-2007   #14
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For short trips, I do my business on a piece of paper towel, pick it up by the edges, and drop it in a one-gallon plastic mayonnaise jar. This fulfils the re-usable, cleanable requirements of most agencies, and it's relatively compact. This paper towel technique also could be used with the PVC pipe groovers described elsewhere, negating the concern about "hitting" the right spot..


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Old 01-24-2007   #15
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I'd think a wag bag or Restop for each day would work fine for 2 people and you'll even be legal just tossing them into the dumpster at the end of the trip. I'm not sure how well a fire blanket will hold up if used in lieu of a firepan.

As for kayak self-support, I remember once meeting a German couple on the White who said they'd taken their old-school Prijons on a 9-day self-support trip, packing it all in and out. They were doing just a few days when we met them and they insisted on packing out the beer cans from the cold ones we shared with them.

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Old 01-24-2007   #16
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To filter straight from the main stem, buy some alum. It's available in the spice isle at the super market (it's used for pickling). If you sprinkle just a little into a bucket at night all the sediment will drop by morning. If you're really bored or pressed for time, sprinkle in a little more and you can actually watch the water clear. Something about the slightly basic pH in plateau rivers is really conducive to the sediment flocculation with alum. Don't know why though, I didn't do all that well in chemistry...

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a.a.t.o. said:
If you're really bored or pressed for time, sprinkle in a little more and you can actually watch the water clear.
Somebody didn't have enough beer on his last trip, did he?

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Old 01-25-2007   #18
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The water in Rock Creek is clear and tastes good (filter, of course, and you might want to walk up above the pools where everyone swims). There was a pipe (spring) up behind the buildings at McPherson and we have gotten water at Florence Creek, but the water is pretty alkaline or something and leaves white deposits on your pots.
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Old 01-25-2007   #19
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There is a good spring at the moonshiners cabin at Firewater Canyon. It's on Res. land, river left, about two days down river. I've never had to filter it there. Check with the ranger at the put it to make sure it is OK to stop there. The next place would be Rock Creek, as others have mentioned.

Just down river of the ranch buildings, check out the the first little side canyon (river right). Up high at the mouth of it, is a small grainery worth viewing. Check out the petrogliph panels up Rock Creek. You can easily spend the whole day there, hiking. Up a few miles on the left are two smiley faces with good color still in them. They are a ways past the first panel you come to. Past the resurgance by about two dry stream crossings up, if I remember right...........I mean left.......they are on the left side, by the mouth of a side canyon. The meadow just above the resurgance is the perfect place to sleep under the cottonwoods. Soft enough I didn't even use a pad.

McPhersons ranch is also on indian land, so once again, check with the ranger at the put it. The spring is up by an old water tank just down river of the buildings. Once again, no filtering needed. The old ranch building behind the run down hotel are really cool to check out. If you hike up that canyon for a mile or so, you come to a big blackish colored rock outcropping in the bottom of the valley. It has a really good petro panel on the back side of it. Further up that canyon are some graineries. Have fun........I can't wait to get back there someday soon.

We showed up once without a fire pan. The ranger sold us one of those aluminum foil, roaster pan ones, like they sell in 7/11.
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Here is something I heard about and want to try next time I go. Try and purchase a fishing permit from the Indians. This is the permit you need to get first,in order to get the rest. With that you can apply for a hiking permit, camping permit, fire permit, ect. Then you can camp and hike both sides of the canyon. I heard this from an old rafter I met down in there once, who I'd seen camping on that side of the river. Not sure how true it is, but it might be worth a try.

I've guided on several trips with the high school group call senior seminar. They have had permission in the past to camp river left. Lot's of cool stuff on that side of the river if you have permission to be there. I've heard tale they will come into camp and take your stuff if your on that side without the proper permits.

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